Romney Parks Millions in Cayman Islands

So, you won't copy the thread title into your response?

i'll play your game: romney parks millions in caymen islands

now - why? what does that have to do with the CONTENT of the OP? i can make a thread title "obama sleeps with gennifer flowers" and then post only about clinton....is it your claim the OP is about obama? because that is what you are saying by asking me that question....
 
do you even what people post?

1. i'm the one that used the ivy league as a FAIR example of your point. if you bother to actually read what i posted, you would not need to ask that question as i already that does illustrate how money helps.

2. that is a great point about public education. however, what rule or law would you CHANGE so as to not inhibit people from gaining wealth? all you've talked about is private schools vs. public schools. nothing about any laws.

i'm beginning to think the subject is too complicated for you.

let me offer a suggestion that is in line with our original topic:

the law or rule i would change regards student loan repayment. if you are making below a certain income or have assets below a certain amount, your loans should either be forgiven or greatly reduced. this would allow a person who was not wealthy a better chance at obtaining wealth because they wouldn't be spending so much money on the loans.

Is this too complicated for you to understand yurt? While that is an idea that you have, there is no one thing that could undue untold generation of conservative efforts to CONSERVE the staus quo; princes and paupers, Lords and peasents, CEOs and wage slaves. Not going to happen.

The best we can hope for is a more educated populace, less willing to consistantly vote against it's own best interests. The problem is; the one world government types, and the neo-cons and the facists are grabbing poer and erecting insurmountable roadblocks as fast as they possibly can, with support not only of scared sheep like Alias and Disillusioned, but alos with the willing consent of blind morons like Apple. The few that do see what is really happening such as STY, Capt. Billy and Damocles are so stuck in their "conservative" mind set that they can't see the forest for the trees.
 
i'll play your game: romney parks millions in caymen islands

now - why? what does that have to do with the CONTENT of the OP? i can make a thread title "obama sleeps with gennifer flowers" and then post only about clinton....is it your claim the OP is about obama? because that is what you are saying by asking me that question....

The content is consistent w/ the title. He links the article; Thurston Howell is on an island (did you miss that connection?) The other images have to do just w/ money, but given the context, the only logical reference is the fact they he has that money in the Cayman's.

It's ridiculous to say that it all shows he's arguing that Mitt having money is "bad."
 
1) He has about $8mm out of an estimated $250mm invested in funds in the Caymans.

I like how you take the low ball estimate of his Cayman domiciled investments and the high ball estimate of his net worth here. It's awesome.
3) He still pays taxes just as he would if he was invested in Fidelity's International Stock funds. Those don't invest in the US or add to our economy. Should we criticize any candidate who has funds invested in International funds?

Actually, that's not necessarily true and, unless we have his tax returns we won't know if he gains tax benefits from his Cayman investments. It has been reported that Romney could be avoiding a 35% tax that otherwise would be applicable to his vast IRA account by investing in the Cayman-based funds.
 
LMAO.... you are quite the dumbass. You think his father made millions as governor?

I guarantee his father made more at American Motors than he made as governor. As I stated, the family did well. But the fortune Mitt has today was primarily derived from his work at BCG and Bain.


And he got the opportunities at Bain because he was a good student and a hard worker, right?
 
I like how you take the low ball estimate of his Cayman domiciled investments and the high ball estimate of his net worth here. It's awesome.

Ok... take it the other way around... it still equates to less than 10% of his worth. I love how you ignore that and instead look to nitpick.

Actually, that's not necessarily true and, unless we have his tax returns we won't know if he gains tax benefits from his Cayman investments. It has been reported that Romney could be avoiding a 35% tax that otherwise would be applicable to his vast IRA account by investing in the Cayman-based funds.

Do link us to that 'reporting'.

Because:
1) for Non-IRA accounts, the taxing is as I stated
2) If he has his IRA accounts in those funds, then it doesn't friggin matter. NONE of that is taxed until he takes the money out of the IRA. At that point it is all taxed as ordinary income... regardless of where the fund IRA is invested in is located.
 
And he got the opportunities at Bain because he was a good student and a hard worker, right?

He got the opportunity at Bain due to his work at BCG.

I am sure you can provide us with a link to how he got into Harvard because of his Dad. As I stated, it is not as if his family was poor or even middle class. His dad worked his way up the ladder at American Motors and then became governor. I never stated he didn't have any advantages in life... I stated that HIS VAST WEALTH WAS CREATED FROM HIS WORK AT BCG AND BAIN. IT DID NOT COME FROM HIS FATHER AS YOU STATED.
 
Ok... take it the other way around... it still equates to less than 10% of his worth. I love how you ignore that and instead look to nitpick.

Not nitpicking. I just think it's funny that you used the figures that painted Romney in the most favorable light possible while you run around claiming that everyone else is a "hack."


Do link us to that 'reporting'.

Because:
1) for Non-IRA accounts, the taxing is as I stated
2) If he has his IRA accounts in those funds, then it doesn't friggin matter. NONE of that is taxed until he takes the money out of the IRA. At that point it is all taxed as ordinary income... regardless of where the fund IRA is invested in is located.

Here's the Wall Street Journal piece on it. In short, Romney may be avoiding the 35% UBIT tax so, yes, it does friggin' matter.

Mitt Romney’s campaign has attacked an ABC News report on the candidate’s offshore investments, saying his holdings in the Cayman Islands and elsewhere have no effect on the amount he pays in U.S. taxes.

But the campaign’s assertions may be wrong or misleading. Tax experts said some of the offshore holdings are likely intended to help Mr. Romney avoid paying an obscure but hefty tax of as much as 35% on some of those investments, held in a tax-deferred retirement account.

As The Wall Street Journal reported in Thursday’s paper, many of Mr. Romney’s offshore investments are held through his individual retirement account, which has grown to between $20.7 million and $101.6 million. IRAs are tax-deferred accounts, in which earnings accrue tax-free until the money is withdrawn during retirement.

Mr. Romney’s IRA has grown so large, it appears, due to investments in various vehicles managed by Bain Capital, the investment fund he helped found in 1984. His latest financial disclosure report, filed in August, shows that many of the IRAs assets are in Bain-affiliated entities located offshore, including one in the Cayman Islands that the report listed as having a value of between $5 million and $25 million.

In response to the ABC News report that focused on investments by Mr. Romney in a “notorious tax haven,” Mr. Romney’s campaign said: “ABC is flat wrong. The Romneys’ investments in funds established in the Cayman Islands are taxed in the very same way they would be if those funds were established in the United States. These are not tax havens and it is false to say so.”

However, tax experts said that had Mr. Romney’s IRA invested in Bain funds in the U.S., he would likely have been forced to pay an obscure levy called the “unrelated business income tax,” also known as UBIT.

This tax, assessed for individuals at a maximum 35% rate, is meant to discourage tax-exempt entities such as an IRA or college endowment fund from unfairly competing with for-profit, taxpaying entities by operating a business without paying taxes on it. Investing in a partnership such as a Bain Capital fund that uses debt to buy companies would trigger the tax, experts said.

For this reason, the experts said, it is very common for private-equity funds such as Bain to set up vehicles in offshore locales such as the Cayman Islands. Such a structure allows American tax-exempt entities, including IRAs, to avoid paying UBIT.

Mr. Romney reported that his IRA, in total, produced income between $1.5 million and $8.5 million from the beginning of 2010 until Aug. 12, 2011.

So Romney may indeed be avoiding 35% taxation on $1.5 to $8.5 million in income from Jan. 2010 to Aug. 12, 2011. (side note: anyone who knows how they come up with these ridiculous ranges, please let me know)


http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/01/19/romney-iras-offshore-investments-helping-his-tax-bill/
 
He got the opportunity at Bain due to his work at BCG.

I am sure you can provide us with a link to how he got into Harvard because of his Dad. As I stated, it is not as if his family was poor or even middle class. His dad worked his way up the ladder at American Motors and then became governor. I never stated he didn't have any advantages in life... I stated that HIS VAST WEALTH WAS CREATED FROM HIS WORK AT BCG AND BAIN. IT DID NOT COME FROM HIS FATHER AS YOU STATED.


I didn't say his wealth came from his father. I said he earned his money the old-fashioned way, he was born into it. I'm sorry if you took this as a statement that Romney inherited his wealth as opposed to earning his wealth as a result of being born into tremendous privilege. And no, I don't begrudge Willard for being born to his parents, but it'd be nice if he showed a smidgen of recognition of that fact instead of being a tin-earned halfwit who laments about being "unemployed," while offering $10,000 bets and claiming that $360,000 in income in one year isn't really a lot of money.

That's all.
 
I didn't say his wealth came from his father. I said he earned his money the old-fashioned way, he was born into it. I'm sorry if you took this as a statement that Romney inherited his wealth as opposed to earning his wealth as a result of being born into tremendous privilege. And no, I don't begrudge Willard for being born to his parents, but it'd be nice if he showed a smidgen of recognition of that fact instead of being a tin-earned halfwit who laments about being "unemployed," while offering $10,000 bets and claiming that $360,000 in income in one year isn't really a lot of money.

That's all.

Envy~
 
Well listen to how silly you sound. Insider trading in the stock market is illegal, whether you are a congressperson or not. So you have already drawn up some silly goofy thing that doesn't comport with reality, and this is your proof that you are entitled to make bigoted broad generalizations about people you don't know. You need tested for mental sanity.

thank you for showing us your rank stupidity.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57323527/congress-trading-stock-on-inside-information/


Washington, D.C. is a town that runs on inside information - but should our elected officials be able to use that information to pad their own pockets? As Steve Kroft reports, members of Congress and their aides have regular access to powerful political intelligence, and many have made well-timed stock market trades in the very industries they regulate. For now, the practice is perfectly legal, but some say it's time for the law to change.
 
Yes, you've got your marching orders down pat. And it might work for Willard among the Republican primary electorate, but good luck with that line in the general election.

Can it.. the marching orders are yours. Never do the liberal masses decry wealth until it belongs to a conservative. Romney need not apologize for being a hardworking and intelligent business savvy American- what you hate is that he is a conservative- a conservative running against your inept leader, our unfortunate president. The wealthy liberals pass your hypocritical sniff test- that's the real story here.
 
Can it.. the marching orders are yours. Never do the liberal masses decry wealth until it belongs to a conservative. Romney need not apologize for being a hardworking and intelligent business savvy American- what you hate is that he is a conservative- a conservative running against your inept leader, our unfortunate president. The wealthy liberals pass your hypocritical sniff test- that's the real story here.


I don't decry wealth at all. Some of my best friends are wealthy people. It's not Romney's wealth that bothers me at all. It's Romney the person that bothers me.
 
I don't decry wealth at all. Some of my best friends are wealthy people. It's not Romney's wealth that bothers me at all. It's Romney the person that bothers me.

Then why are you bitching about his wealth? He has so much money he can live off the investments. The key to his success is he knew "when to hold them and he knew when to fold them". Where to trim and and where to expand- He is an expert at efficiency! Meanwhile the Obumbler in chief invests tax payer money, in the hundreds of millions, into boondoggles, all the while growing our debt at an unsustainable record high!
 
Then why are you bitching about his wealth? He has so much money he can live off the investments. The key to his success is he knew "when to hold them and he knew when to fold them". Where to trim and and where to expand- He is an expert at efficiency! Meanwhile the Obumbler in chief invests tax payer money, in the hundreds of millions, into boondoggles, all the while growing our debt at an unsustainable record high!


I'm not bitching about his wealth. I'm bitching about him as a person and a candidate. You just seem to have trouble separating the two.
 
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