Right Wing Repugnants Once Argued Moral Grounds For Impeachment

[LV426]

Newsome have been but he's not the whole state.

Well, hold on a second. Prop 8 was backed by out-of-state interests. Also, it was only 4 years after the election cycle that saw tons of states pass amendments banning gay marriage.

But I'm not sure why you think saying CA passed Prop 8 (barely) 10 years ago somehow proves CA is intolerant today. Seems like you're cherry picking one thing out to try and cast the whole lot out. Which is a Russian Active Measure, by the way. Do you even realize you're doing that? What you're trying to do is say liberals are intolerant because 10 years ago, a Proposition backed by out-of-state-interests barely passed. And it wasn't a landslide, it was pretty close which wasn't the case for most of the states that passed the ban in 2004.

And didn't the courts shoot him down as well?

That wasn't your argument. Your argument was that CA was a bigoted state because they barely passed Prop 8 ten years ago, after Newsom had already started issuing licenses.

It's funny. Newsome is the only politician I have ever donated to. Guess that makes me more tolerant than almost everyone.

Maybe toward gays...other groups...eh, not so much.

You're not intolerant so much as you're incredibly fucking lazy.

 

[LV426]

Define hating gays

Thinking they should be able to be discriminated against.

 

[Flash]

The problem is you've stereotyped an entire region based on the posturing done by the most vocal in that region. Most of the people in the South don't hunt, don't fish, don't own a gun.

Nobody said "most" people in the South. I said it is very common. It ranges between about 30%-55% in the Southern states according to CBS. Hunting and fishing are also very popular.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/gun-ownership-rates-by-state/

I know a lot of people who are couch potatoes who own guns but do not pretend they are active. I also know many hunters and fisherman but none who pretend to be who are not. It is not that important.

I would like to see some evidence of people who posture. Besides, it has nothing to do with the point of whether liberals often look down on such people (posturing or not)--an example of liberal intolerance not responding to intolerance from the other side.

 

[LV426]

I'm not sure you mean by accommodation and I don't think anybody was coddled under Obama (except insurance and drug companies).

Are you fucking kidding me!?

We let an entire political party re-brand itself after the disaster of Bush by stapling teabags to their faces and screaming about the debt and deficit they caused, and were treated as legitimate.

That was accommodation. We accommodated the entitlement those Conservatives felt they had to run away from Bush, but only stopping only long enough to burn the Bush/Cheney shirts.

We accommodated them again in 2015, when, after achieving nothing with the power those teabags got, they took the teabags off and put on the red hats.

We accommodated their re-branding when we shouldn't have, accommodated their entitlement to be taken seriously, and what did they give us back? Trump.

Fuck them.

 

[Flash]

No one is arguing for Communism, and you are dishonestly lumping Communism in with Socialism, when the two are wildly different.

They are not wildly different. Communism is a political system and socialism an economic system. However, communism cannot exist without a socialist economic system--it is the essence of communism.

 

[LV426]

I don't know the alternative to how racists are being treated.

Simple:

Shut them out.

Don't put them on TV.

Don't do newspaper stories about diners in flyover country.

Don't let them have a voice.

Don't pander to them when campaigning.

Slander them every chance you get.

De-legitimize their views by not giving them the accommodations they want.

Instead, you think we should accommodate them on the slim chance they might see the error of their ways and judgment, and free themselves of their inherent bigotry. And you gotta be the biggest, wide-eyed idealist in the world to think that...or be incredibly naive and lazy. When have you ever known a narcissist to admit they're wrong about something? Unfortunately, the Boomer generation is a generation of narcissists and entitled, coddled babies. That generation had everything handed to them and they squandered it all. So I'm done accommodating poor judgment, and I'm not holding back my judgment of that for the sake of the fragile feelings of the whiniest generation in American history.

 

[Flash]

So it's bad to be intolerant of intolerance?

That's what you're arguing, by the way.

No, intolerance is not the same thing as hate. You argue we should hate those who are intolerant. But, it depends on what form that intolerance takes. I can be intolerant by simply disliking it or I can openly be insulting and rude to those with those views to actually being violent.

"I hate polygamists"
"I hate gays"

Are these equal?

 

[LV426]

You seem to want confrontation.

Confrontation is already here. Conservatives are literally killing people because of the inherent bigotry and hatred Conservatives have in their hearts and small minds. Parkland, El Paso High, Annapolis, Charlottesville, etc.

Perhaps hate is not the best way to fight hate. Obama and Hillary did not favor gay marriage as late as 2012. Did you hate them?

The point is they changed.

Conservatives refuse to change.

And it's 2018 now. If you're still opposed to gays, you're a bigot who should be ridiculed.

 

[LV426]

Why did you support a president who was against gay marriage?

WAS

He's not anymore.

But you guys still are.

 

[LV426]

Because free and open debate should not be limited because it might hurt somebody's feelings

OMG.

You're literally arguing that we shouldn't be mean to bigots because it will hurt their feelings and make them more bigoted.

"Look what you made me do" is the defense you're using here.

 

[LV426]

I hope people don't use such language, but I would not limit it and those who do want to choose what constitutes "hate speech."

"I hate gays"
"I hate you for hating gays"

These are the same thing?

One doesn't exist without the other, you know. If Conservatives didn't hate gay people, then liberals wouldn't hate them for hating gay people. See how that works?

You are arguing we should accommodate bigots because of their feelings, then turn right around in the next breath and say liberals are having their feelings hurt by Conservative bigotry and hate speech.

Do you even realize you're doing that? Or is that circular reasoning your goal here?

 

[LV426]

You are intolerant of hate speech yet argue that we should hate people that have offensive view

Absolutely.

If you don't hate bigotry, then you are of dubious moral character.

 

[LV426]

You are promoting the same thing you argue against.

No I'm not.

My hatred of bigots isn't caused by anything other than their bigotry.

Their hatred of gays isn't caused by anything other than...(?)

Finish that last sentence, then try and say the two are equivalent.

Being a racist, bigoted asshole is not a protected class.

 

[cawacko]

Simple:

Shut them out.

Don't put them on TV.

Don't do newspaper stories about diners in flyover country.

Don't let them have a voice.

Don't pander to them when campaigning.

Slander them every chance you get.

De-legitimize their views by not giving them the accommodations they want.

Instead, you think we should accommodate them on the slim chance they might see the error of their ways and judgment, and free themselves of their inherent bigotry. And you gotta be the biggest, wide-eyed idealist in the world to think that...or be incredibly naive and lazy. When have you ever known a narcissist to admit they're wrong about something? Unfortunately, the Boomer generation is a generation of narcissists and entitled, coddled babies. That generation had everything handed to them and they squandered it all. So I'm done accommodating poor judgment, and I'm not holding back my judgment of that for the sake of the fragile feelings of the whiniest generation in American history.

How are you defining who and what is racist? Because you're essentially advocating totalitarianism not democracy.

 

[cawacko]

WAS

He's not anymore.

But you guys still are.

"You guys"? There are conservatives that support gay marriage just like there are liberals who don't. If you considered yourself tolerant in 2008 how could you support Clinton or Obama?

 

[LV426]

And I did not say liberal intolerance is necessarily a reaction against something else

Well, that's what it is. Even in the arguments we're making here, the liberal side's "intolerance" is always in reaction to inherent intolerance among Conservatives.

The Conservative position starts at intolerance. And we should accommodate that intolerance by not hating it, why? Because they might get their feelings hurt? Weren't you just deriding liberals for that very thing?

 

[LV426]

They may be intolerant of things they do not like which are not reactions

You're literally describing what a reaction is: liking or not liking something.

FFS, you think you're being clever, but the reality is you're being a fucking idiot.

 

[LV426]

The inherent intolerance comes from both liberals and conservatives equally.

No it doesn't and we've even been using homosexuality as the example that shows it doesn't.

This is just a lazy attempt at "both sides" so you don't have to be expected of doing the work of making distinctions.

That is also entitlement.

 

[LV426]

Only excessive partisanship sees one side as more intolerant than the other---we simply choose which intolerance we prefer.

You're so fucking lazy.

You're so lazy that you can't be expected to make distinctions between inherent bigotry and reactions to that bigotry; and that is 100% entitlement. You think you're entitled to the position that all intolerance is the same, and that for every act of intolerance on one side there is an equal and opposite act of intolerance on the other. And you use the example of hating someone for being a bigot as your evidence while ignoring the fact that hating a bigot because they're bigoted is a reaction to bigotry. What is the bigoted reaction of Conservatives toward gays to? What did gays do to earn the bigotry of Conservatives?

 

[evince]

I hate racists

sue me


I also hate child molesters