Right wing pundits = hypocrisy!

It is not opinion Rana. It is a FACT. Public unions bargain against tax payers.

Not some corporation trying to keep more of the profits. The taxpayers.

I stated that, SF, where we differ is that I feel they have a right to bargain with their bosses (us and them, they are tax payers, too), because, not all tax payers agree and those tax payers doing the work have a right to speak out about their working conditions against those who receive their services and provide their pay.

It should be that way with every employee employer, because this is the USA where the right to protest is what created this nation. The right to fight for your beliefs, no matter who against, is still a right!

Just because we are the "taxpayers" doesn't make us right.
 
No Rana... they are not.

They are bargaining against the tax payer.

Every dollar increase they get comes either from the tax payer in the form of higher taxes or it comes from other state run programs. That is it. Period. It doesn't come from the politicians. Which again is the problem.

I see....and is there a particular reason why someone cannot negotiate for wages and working conditions with the tax payers?
 
It is not opinion Rana. It is a FACT. Public unions bargain against tax payers.

Not some corporation trying to keep more of the profits. The taxpayers.

You are correct. Ulimately public union workers are negotiating with the tax payers (more correctly their representatives) for wages, benefits and working conditions. What is wrong with that?
 
I see....and is there a particular reason why someone cannot negotiate for wages and working conditions with the tax payers?

You are correct. Ulimately public union workers are negotiating with the tax payers (more correctly their representatives) for wages, benefits and working conditions. What is wrong with that?
Thats bullshit....your know it and I know it...

Teachers are negotiating with ex-teachers on the school boards that agree with them....Public sector employees are negotiating with mayors and governors from the Democratic party that they have bought and paid for with union money contributions and helped elect....NO ONE is looking out for the taxpayers....
 
Thats bullshit....your know it and I know it...

Teachers are negotiating with ex-teachers on the school boards that agree with them....Public sector employees are negotiating with mayors and governors from the Democratic party that they have bought and paid for with union money contributions and helped elect....NO ONE is looking out for the taxpayers....

I guess that would explain all those teachers out there making $200,000 a year and why all those poor minimum wage earning Wall Street bankers are not getting bonuses.
 
They are bargaining against their bosses, who should be the tax payer, but in cases like Scott Walker, it ends up being a politician(s) that overstep their bounds and the voters wishes.

I see it like being a family. My children use to negotiate with me on the rules. I can't imagine what it would have been like if I has said, no negotiating, all rules stand, no wiggle room.


So how would you have dealt with your children if they said fuck you and left the state? Thats what the democrats did in Wisconsin.
 
So how would you have dealt with your children if they said fuck you and left the state? Thats what the democrats did in Wisconsin.

Do we have any other entries for "terrible analogy of the week?" So far, this has gotta be the frontrunner. Gonna be tough to beat....
 
Do we have any other entries for "terrible analogy of the week?" So far, this has gotta be the frontrunner. Gonna be tough to beat....

He had to post a great deal of bullshit in order to counter Mott's bullshit in the post right above his.

Have to keep this thread fair and balanced. :good4u:
 
Let's clear up a few things here:

1. Gov. Walker with a GOP backed state congress are trying to change state LAW so that public union members cannot bargain on how much is put into penions and benefits from their salaries. This is NOT about state deficits, as Walker immediately gave corporations over $100 million in tax breaks upon entering office...this is about breaking the Dem party's largest organizer and backer. Right now, about 60% of Wisconsin folk disapprove of Walker's actions...and he can be recalled from office in less than a year from now.

2 - Yes, there is a difference between public and private unions....as private unions are FEDERALLY protected while public unions protections vary from state to state. Thing is, when Hannity, Limbaugh, and O'Reilly (who were NOT forced to join their union http://labor-employment-law.lawyers.com/Your-New-Job-and-Joining-a-Union.html ) go to work, they sure as hell expect those roads to be paved or their studio lights to be on, the toilets to flush, etc., etc. So when these 3 neocon stooges rail and wail against "big government", they sure as hell want that "big government" to maintain their union protections (maybe not now in their careers, as they are rich and can afford agents/lawyers to bargain for their contracts), and they sure as hell want those "big government" workers to maintain the infrastructure necessary for them to do their jobs and live their lives. That is quite an elitist, caste oriented attitude to have for someone who makes a living bullhorning for the rights of the people against too much gov't involvement.

3. Public union Pensions and benefits are DEFERRED PAYMENTS! So the collective bargaining is to determine how much of a paycheck goes to pension fund and how much to benefits (i.e., healthcare). The private, non-public union citizens DO NOT get involved until the State siphons off public union funds to pay off other State fiscal problems. And since Wall St./mortgage bankers have seriously screwed up State investments and hobbled Federal monies to States, those public union funds are looking mighty good to someone stoned on Reaganomics. Now remember, the Wisconsin union folks AGREED with Walker that they WILL TAKE THE CUTS IN SALARY to help the State make ends meet. WALKER REFUSED THE OFFER BECAUSE IT IS IMPERITIVE TO HIM TO CRIPPLE UNION BARGAINING CAPABILITY. So if Wisconsinites have a problem with taxes in the immediate future, point to the finger at Walker, NOT the public unions.

4.
 
democrats need this fight, facism is doing to well. Find a spine dems.
No shit man. That's what I've been enjoying about the Wisconsin situation. Dems are acting like they finally grew a pair. They need to be as ruthless in their politics as Repelicans are.
 
Confirmed: Union-Bashing Right-Wing Media Stars Hannity, Limbaugh and O'Reilly Are AFL-CIO Union-Affiliated Members

In spite of their criticism of unions in Wisconsin, AlterNet has confirmed that leading right-wing pundits are American Federation Television and Radio Artists union members.
February 26, 2011


http://www.alternet.org/story/15005...iated_members?akid=6577.20699.WkxkVI&rd=1&t=8

Wow I haven't seen retarded logic like since since, well..., since the last time you posted.

:palm:
 
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