Yeah, starting out on a bald faced lie. This loser has Karl Rove stamped on his forehead.
Rick Perry, the George W. Bush of this election?
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Yeah, starting out on a bald faced lie. This loser has Karl Rove stamped on his forehead.
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Well, Judas H Priest in the Monastery, how the fuck many years do the democrats need to take responsibility for what THEY have failed to accomplish? TWO years of full control of congress and the WH, and absolutely NOTHING to show for it except for a health care bill that can't even pass the test of constitutionality, $840 Billion swept down some black hole somewhere, more hundreds of billion in corporate bailouts, gotta save GM from bankruptcy because that would end the world, except GM took the money and declared bankruptcy anyway, etc. etc. etc. And through it all we hear from Obama about this great plan he has, except he never gets around to telling us what is in this great plan which he has, somehow, never gotten around to implementing for some reason.
While it is true that we do not want to elect yet another Bush, can you point to ONE definitive action the democrats in power have taken that can be defined as significantly different than what took place in the Bush years? What happened to getting out of Gitmo? What happened to all the anti-war promises? We're STILL in Iraq, despite the claim of ending combat operations there. Troops were withdrawn, along a schedule negotiated by Bush, but troops also remain, and troops are still getting injured and/or killed there. We have escalated operations in Afghanistan, with damned little to show for it. We were made a promise that unconstitutional surveillance on international communications would end. Instead the program was expanded under Obama's policies. What, exactly, DID happen to that $840 billion dollar stimulus? Where did it go? You complain - validly - about the all the money, hundreds of millions, disappearing down the Iraq/Afghanistan hole, but say nothing of the almost complete lack of accountability for $840 billions spent on, seemingly, nothing. So, do explain, WHAT has actually CHANGED since Bush left office? WHERE ARE THE DIFFERENCES?
The stimulus money didn't disappear down a black hole; that's wild exaggeration. Could it have been spent better? Sure. Did it create jobs & stop the bleeding in '09? Absolutely.
And saving GM is no small thing for a country with a diminishing manufacturing base. I consider it to be huge - that company is doing well now. And there are a lot of direct & indirect jobs & local economies that have benefitted as a result.
And saving GM is no small thing for a country with a diminishing manufacturing base. I consider it to be huge - that company is doing well now. And there are a lot of direct & indirect jobs & local economies that have benefitted as a result.
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Texas Gov. Rick Perry likes to tell Washington to stop meddling in state affairs. He vocally opposed the Obama administration's 2009 stimulus program to spur the economy and assist cash-strapped states.
Perry also likes to trumpet that his state balanced its budget in 2009, while keeping billions in its rainy day fund.
But he couldn't have done that without a lot of help from ... guess where? Washington.
Turns out Texas was the state that depended the most on those very stimulus funds to plug nearly 97% of its shortfall for fiscal 2010, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/23/news/economy/texas_perry_budget_stimulus/index.htm
Perry also likes to trumpet that his state balanced its budget in 2009, while keeping billions in its rainy day fund.
But he couldn't have done that without a lot of help from ... guess where? Washington.
Turns out Texas was the state that depended the most on those very stimulus funds to plug nearly 97% of its shortfall for fiscal 2010, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/23/news/economy/texas_perry_budget_stimulus/index.htm
christiefan915
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This man sounds dangerously ignorant.
Rick Perry’s Unanswered Prayers
A few months ago, with Texas aflame from more than 8,000 wildfires brought on by extreme drought, a man who hopes to be the next president took pen in hand and went to work:
“Now, therefore, I, Rick Perry, Governor of Texas, under the authority vested in me by the Constitution and Statutes of the State of Texas, do hereby proclaim the three-day period from Friday, April 22, 2011, to Sunday, April 24, 2011, as Days of Prayer for Rain in the State of Texas.”
Then the governor prayed, publicly and often. Alas, a rainless spring was followed by a rainless summer. July was the hottest month in recorded Texas history. Day after pitiless day, from Amarillo to Laredo, from Toadsuck to Twitty, folks were greeted by a hot, white bowl overhead, triple-digit temperatures, and a slow death on the land.
In the four months since Perry’s request for divine intervention, his state has taken a dramatic turn for the worse. Nearly all of Texas is now in “extreme or exceptional” drought, as classified by federal meteorologists, the worst in Texas history....
...But Perry’s tendency to use prayer as public policy demonstrates, in the midst of a truly painful, wide-ranging and potentially catastrophic crisis in the nation’s second most-populous state, how he would govern if he became president.
...“I think it’s time for us to just hand it over to God, and say, ‘God: You’re going to have to fix this,’” he said in a speech in May, explaining how some of the nation’s most serious problems could be solved....
...That was a warm-up of sorts for his prayer-fest, 30,000 evangelicals in Houston’s Reliant Stadium on Saturday. From this gathering came a very specific prayer for economic recovery. On the following Monday, the first day God could do anything about it, Wall Street suffered its worst one-day collapse since the 2008 crisis. The Dow sunk by 635 points....
...Perry revels in a muscular brand of ignorance (Rush Limbaugh is a personal hero), one that extends to the ever-fascinating history of the Lone Star State. Twice in the last two years he’s broached the subject of Texas seceding from the union.
“When we came into the nation in 1845 we were a republic, we were a stand-alone nation,” says Perry in a 2009 video that has just surfaced. “And one of the deals was, we can leave any time we want. So we’re kind of thinking about that again.”
...He can dream all he wants about the good old days when Texas left the nation to fight for the slave-holding states of the breakaway confederacy. But the law will not get him there. There is no such language in the Texas or United States’ constitutions allowing Texas to unilaterally “leave any time we want..."
...To Jews, Muslims, non-believers and even many Christians, the Biblical bully that is Rick Perry must sound downright menacing, particularly when he gets into religious absolutism. “As a nation, we must call upon Jesus to guide us through unprecedented struggles,” he said last week.
...As a lone citizen, he’s free to advocate Jesus-driven public policy imperatives. But coming from someone who wants to govern this great mess of a country with all its beliefs, Perry’s language is an insult to the founding principles of the republic. Substitute Allah or a Hindu God for Jesus and see how that polls...
...Perry is from Paint Creek, an unincorporated hamlet in the infinity of the northwest Texas plains. I’ve been there. In wet years, it’s pretty, the birds clacking on Lake Stamford, the cotton high. This year, it’s another sad moonscape in the Lone Star State.
Over the last 15 years, taxpayers have shelled out $232 million in farm subsidies to Haskell County, which includes Paint Creek — a handout to more than 2,500 recipients, better than one out every three residents. God may not always be reliable, but in Perry’s home county, the federal government certainly is.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/11/rick-perrys-unanswered-prayers/?emc=eta1
Rick Perry’s Unanswered Prayers
A few months ago, with Texas aflame from more than 8,000 wildfires brought on by extreme drought, a man who hopes to be the next president took pen in hand and went to work:
“Now, therefore, I, Rick Perry, Governor of Texas, under the authority vested in me by the Constitution and Statutes of the State of Texas, do hereby proclaim the three-day period from Friday, April 22, 2011, to Sunday, April 24, 2011, as Days of Prayer for Rain in the State of Texas.”
Then the governor prayed, publicly and often. Alas, a rainless spring was followed by a rainless summer. July was the hottest month in recorded Texas history. Day after pitiless day, from Amarillo to Laredo, from Toadsuck to Twitty, folks were greeted by a hot, white bowl overhead, triple-digit temperatures, and a slow death on the land.
In the four months since Perry’s request for divine intervention, his state has taken a dramatic turn for the worse. Nearly all of Texas is now in “extreme or exceptional” drought, as classified by federal meteorologists, the worst in Texas history....
...But Perry’s tendency to use prayer as public policy demonstrates, in the midst of a truly painful, wide-ranging and potentially catastrophic crisis in the nation’s second most-populous state, how he would govern if he became president.
...“I think it’s time for us to just hand it over to God, and say, ‘God: You’re going to have to fix this,’” he said in a speech in May, explaining how some of the nation’s most serious problems could be solved....
...That was a warm-up of sorts for his prayer-fest, 30,000 evangelicals in Houston’s Reliant Stadium on Saturday. From this gathering came a very specific prayer for economic recovery. On the following Monday, the first day God could do anything about it, Wall Street suffered its worst one-day collapse since the 2008 crisis. The Dow sunk by 635 points....
...Perry revels in a muscular brand of ignorance (Rush Limbaugh is a personal hero), one that extends to the ever-fascinating history of the Lone Star State. Twice in the last two years he’s broached the subject of Texas seceding from the union.
“When we came into the nation in 1845 we were a republic, we were a stand-alone nation,” says Perry in a 2009 video that has just surfaced. “And one of the deals was, we can leave any time we want. So we’re kind of thinking about that again.”
...He can dream all he wants about the good old days when Texas left the nation to fight for the slave-holding states of the breakaway confederacy. But the law will not get him there. There is no such language in the Texas or United States’ constitutions allowing Texas to unilaterally “leave any time we want..."
...To Jews, Muslims, non-believers and even many Christians, the Biblical bully that is Rick Perry must sound downright menacing, particularly when he gets into religious absolutism. “As a nation, we must call upon Jesus to guide us through unprecedented struggles,” he said last week.
...As a lone citizen, he’s free to advocate Jesus-driven public policy imperatives. But coming from someone who wants to govern this great mess of a country with all its beliefs, Perry’s language is an insult to the founding principles of the republic. Substitute Allah or a Hindu God for Jesus and see how that polls...
...Perry is from Paint Creek, an unincorporated hamlet in the infinity of the northwest Texas plains. I’ve been there. In wet years, it’s pretty, the birds clacking on Lake Stamford, the cotton high. This year, it’s another sad moonscape in the Lone Star State.
Over the last 15 years, taxpayers have shelled out $232 million in farm subsidies to Haskell County, which includes Paint Creek — a handout to more than 2,500 recipients, better than one out every three residents. God may not always be reliable, but in Perry’s home county, the federal government certainly is.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/11/rick-perrys-unanswered-prayers/?emc=eta1
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Really? Then why do employment figures not reflect this supposed benefit? The money went down a fucking black hole as far as its actual effect on the economy. The only thing that even made unemployment figures do more than twitch in a positive direction was the massive hiring that took place for the census - a short lived blip that had nothing to do with the failed stimulus package.
Except it was not the bailout which saved GM. It was the bankruptcy that actually allowed GM to restructure their debt load and reemerge as a viable corporation. You know, the bankruptcy that had to be avoided at all costs because bankruptcy would completely destroy the General Motors Corporation?
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Repent, America!
You hate and fear Perry because you hate and fear Christians and Conservatives.
No surprise there.
George W. Bush was elected TWICE in spite of your opposition and Gov. Perry will be too.
The American People want jobs, not deficits.
Perry has proven his leadership.
If all you have against him is hate for Jesus, I see what motivates you.
No surprise there.
George W. Bush was elected TWICE in spite of your opposition and Gov. Perry will be too.
The American People want jobs, not deficits.
Perry has proven his leadership.
If all you have against him is hate for Jesus, I see what motivates you.
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Repent, America!
No answer.
The First Amendment guarantees Freedom to worship, not freedom from worship.
The First Amendment guarantees Freedom to worship, not freedom from worship.
You tend to exaggerate. The economy was hemorraghing hundreds of thousands of jobs a month when the stimulus passed. We now have positive job growth. As I said, the mere passage of the legislation itself stopped the bleeding, and the actual money has created more jobs than you would like to acknowledge.
As for GM, it's a little too convenient to credit only those things that you agree w/ philisophically for its resurrection. GM was worth saving, period. The bailout will pay for itself many times over w/ the jobs saved & effect on local economies from GM doing well...
Actually it protects both the right to worship as one pleases, even if its not to Jesus, and the right not to worship, if one choses.
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Pathetic beyond comprehension. And you used to take Bush apologists to task. Even Obama admitted the stimulus did not produce the jobs anticipated. And the "mere passage" of the bill did nothing. The stimulus bill was signed on February 17, 2009. In February, unemployment stood at 8.1%. In October of 2009, UE had risen to 10.2%. So where is the stoppage of bleeding by the mere passage of the bill? UE stayed between 9.7 and 9.9% most of the first half of 2010, then dropped all of 0.2 percent and hovered between 9.5 and 9.6 percent until it shot up in November, 2010 to 9.8% - an unprecedented loss because November is usually when UE drops in response to holiday hiring.
http://www.ncsl.org/?tabid=13307
So all of 2010, there is no indication of your claims - unless you want to pull out the lame "it would have been worse" argument. LOL Is that what you're basing your claims on? "It would have been worse?" Where is your proof? There is none because you cannot possibly show what UE would have been like without the stimulus. We deal with only one reality, and in that reality UE rose over 2 points AFTER the stimulus was passed, and gradually settled back to hover one point above where UE was when the bill was passed for the year 2010. UE only reached less than 9% earlier this year for a period of two months, after the stimulus was spent and gone. UE then rose back to hover between 9.1 and 9.2% where it yet remains.
And you accuse me of a tendency to exaggerate. If what I posted is exaggeration, then the crap you post is an outright lie.
LOL You accuse ME of crediting only those things I agree with philosophically? Why not go by the actual historical FACTS?
FACT: GM was in deep trouble, and facing bankruptcy.
FACT: The federal government put on a big horse and pony show about how we could not afford to let GM fail.
FACT: The government bailed GM out to the tune of several hundred billion dollars.
FACT: The bailout did NOT save GM - GM was unable to pull itself out of debt, and now owed an even bigger debt to the government.
FACT: GM declared chapter 11 bankruptcy. That is a fact you cannot escape. After all the rhetoric of the disasters of GM declaring bankruptcy, GM DID declared bankruptcy.
FACT: Under chapter 11 protection, the courts determined a debt-restructuring plan which allowed GM to continue operations.
FACT: It was bankruptcy that allowed GM to restructure its debt and continue operations, not the bailouts. This is not a matter of only crediting that which I agree with philosophically. The FACT is it was the restructuring under chapter 11 that allowed GM to continue operations. the bailouts did not get GM's debt under control, while the bankruptcy did.
FACT: without bankruptcy protections, GM would have defaulted on its debt and that WOULD have caused the corporation to fail.
FACT that bears repeating: It was BANKRUPTCY, not the bailouts, that allowed GM to restructure its debt in order to continue operations.
FACT: GM could have declared bankruptcy WITHOUT the bailouts, and still been able to restructure its debt to continue operations.
Those are the facts. The bailouts did nothing but waste a ton of taxpayer money when there was a completely legitimate method available to them - CH11 bankruptcy - that did NOT take taxpayer money to implement. And the proof of that is chapter 11 is the method which was ultimately used to save GM, and the option to use ch11 had nothing to do with the federal government - it has been law for well over a century.
One additional fact: the federal government USED the bailouts to interfere with the debt restructuring in a move of outright fascism to determine how GM was restructured.
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I have also said that the stimulus didn't produce the jobs anticipated. That doesn't mean it didn't produce any jobs, as you repeatedly state, or disappear down a black hole, as you repeatedly state. As for "stemming the bleeding," here's a quick primer on the economy: jobs are a lagging indicator. It stemmed the bleeding in the market. In case you didn't notice, it's when the market crashed that businesses panicked & started laying off in droves. Once the market started to turn around, businesses started to slowly follow suit later on, though there is still a strong crisis in confidence.
You don't agree w/ the bailouts, which is the reason for your narrative on GM. The fact is, they worked - GM not only survived, but is doing well. I don't need to add anything to that argument. Sorry you were wrong about how effective the bailouts would be.
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wow...two perry threads in 25 hours and no onceler running around saying PDS
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I love that you're so obsessed w/ that - you have to frantically keep whining about it.
PDS is not an acknowledged pathology yet. Maybe once he's Prez. ODS definitely is, though, and it's something you definitely have.
Do you want me to bump the "spit on dead" thread again?
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lol...the intellectually dishonest hack strikes again....see...whenever a lefty creates numerous threads about a gop candidate or public person, it is not a pathological, but how dare you make one thread about a president or even two, then that equals pathology. only a very dishonest person could convince themselves that is true.
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the confidence factor is not a large one. obama is a part of the confidence factor and the gridlock in DC.
You didn't answer my question; do you want me to bump the "spit on the dead" thread again?