RFK pulls more Trump votes...

[QP!]

I love this....a kennedy doesn't fit with the DF party. Idiot

Does a Cheney fit with the current Republi'can' party you fucking half wit?

Name alone is not enough or Liz Cheney would still be in the party or are you so incredibly stupid you think she is?

 

[Damocles]

That's anecdotal. The economy is in MUCH better shape than it was when Biden took office.

I know a lot of it is people going back to their jobs - but Trump was the worst jobs President in modern history. That's not hyperbole; it is statistically fact. Was that because of the pandemic - or how incompetent a leader he was during the pandemic? He spent months glossing over what COVID meant for the populace and making false pronouncements like "it will just disappear." He sent mixed signals and confusing messaging on masks, distancing & other measures. He sowed so much doubt about COVID that his one accomplishment - rushing a vaccine - was largely ineffectual because he had convinced so many brainwashed supporters that the virus was a hoax or close to it.

Trump left the economy in a shambles.. I am NOT a Biden supporter - but on the whole, he hasn't done badly considering what he started with. Our unemployment rate is historically low, and many jobs are still available. Wages are starting to go up, and inflation is easing.

I always say it - but if Trump was President w/ these results, it would be the greatest economy in American history.

Again, inane. Ignoring facts might make the foolish believe themselves, but it doesn't change reality. Pre-pandemic Trump bested this economy by Brazilians... (Referencing a joke that ends: How many zeroes in a Brazilian? I know some here will get it...)

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Ugh. That was really lame.

Try a meme.

He'd have to steal one first.

 

[BartenderElite]

Again, inane. Ignoring facts might make the foolish believe themselves, but it doesn't change reality. Pre-pandemic Trump bested this economy by Brazilians... (Referencing a joke that ends: How many zeroes in a Brazilian? I know some here will get it...)

What did I state that is not fact?

The above response doesn't refute much. You're just saying stuff now.

And I keep hearing how good Trump was at the economy pre-pandemic. All that says is that we had a leader who couldn't handle his only big crisis. And, btw, the tax package he passed early on was criticized by many economists as being short-sighted, and only intended to boost GOP chances for the mid-terms.

 

[QP!]

And yes, RFk offers nothing in what he says that you can identify with any current Dem voting blocks.

His views appeal greatly to many in Trump's base, especially the Qanon sect. They are really the only ones i could see voting for him.

 

[Damocles]

What did I state that is not fact?

The above response doesn't refute much. You're just saying stuff now.

You ignored facts. That is not the same thing as stating non-factual information.

Reality: Trump was faced with a pandemic, Biden came in inheriting three vaccinations and presided over the end of the pandemic. Pretending that jobs put on hold during the pandemic suddenly are "new jobs" that Biden "created" is nonsense. It's blather. It's Biden jumping in the middle of the parade, falling over, grabbing an advertisement sign, and pretending he's protesting.

What Biden created was inflation by throwing money at a problem that didn't need more money at the time. Biden's handlers believe that every problem is a fire and the only way to put it out is to smother it in US Dollars, this creates inflation. Inflation really does make everyone poorer except the very rich. (you know like a family that's been fleecing them foreigners for deneg for decades by selling the 'illusion of access' by actually having folks you know, gain actual access...) Those folks get poorer, but not enough to really notice it significantly and that they can't overcome with more demands for Chinese cash in the bank.

 

[BartenderElite]

You ignored facts. That is not the same thing as stating non-factual information.

Reality: Trump was faced with a pandemic, Biden came in inheriting three vaccinations and presided over the end of the pandemic. Pretending that jobs put on hold during the pandemic suddenly are "new jobs" that Biden "created" is nonsense. It's blather. It's Biden jumping in the middle of the parade, falling over, grabbing an advertisement sign, and pretending he's protesting.

What Biden created was inflation by throwing money at a problem that didn't need more money at the time. Biden's handlers believe that every problem is a fire and the only way to put it out is to smother it in US Dollars, this creates inflation. Inflation really does make everyone poorer except the very rich. (you know like a family that's been fleecing them foreigners for deneg for decades by selling the 'illusion of access' by actually having folks you know, gain actual access...) Those folks get poorer, but not enough to really notice it significantly and that they can't overcome with more demands for Chinese cash in the bank.

Biden accelerated the pace of vaccinations when he took office exponentially, with 4 executive orders. Trump didn't do anything on that front.

Biden "created inflation?" Really? He CREATED GLOBAL INFLATION THAT LITERALLY STARTED HIS FIRST MONTH IN OFFICE?

You sure about that one? Is that one of your "facts"?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You ignored facts. That is not the same thing as stating non-factual information.

Reality: Trump was faced with a pandemic,...

Do you agree Trump botched the US response by denying it for months? He found out in December 2019. Want to guess when he announced Operation Warpspeed? Hint: May 15, 2020

 

[QP!]

This is inane. Most of the jobs aren't "added", they were the jobs that were put on hold during the pandemic, you know when Trump shut down the nation on the advice of Dr. Covid himself. Pre-pandemic, Trump had the best economy that I have ever heard of for minorities specifically. Record employment among African Americans, Hispanic folks, etc.

I am most certainly not "better off" than before Brandon and his string-pullers took office and began our long slow downward fall into stagflation and ineptitude. Whomever is directing the movie "50 First Weekends At Brandon's" needs to be fired.

What you are saying is simply a lie. The US had recovered all the covid job losses by Aug 2022 and Biden has been piling on record job growth since.

An Trumpers are making it clear in the other thread that Donald Trump should get zero credit for his economy during his term and all the credit goes to Congress.

 

[QP!]

So, family name over ideology?

Yes, which is why Liz Cheney is unmovable in the party.

Why Ronna McDaniel dropped Romney from her last name.

And why McCains and Bushes and even Reagans are revered in the party right now.

These derps have it right. Name over all else.

 

[Damocles]

Biden accelerated the pace of vaccinations when he took office exponentially, with 4 executive orders. Trump didn't do anything on that front.

Biden "created inflation?" Really? He CREATED GLOBAL INFLATION THAT LITERALLY STARTED HIS FIRST MONTH IN OFFICE?

You sure about that one? Is that one of your "facts"?

They had literally been approved less than 3 months before. "He increased their use"... duh, if he hadn't I would be mocking him even worse right now. It went from nobody getting them to them getting emergency approvals and everyone getting them. This again ignores the reality. Biden inherited a gift, the end of a pandemic, and his team still managed to mess it up. Instead of massive growth we have stagflation and barely got the jobs put on hold during the pandemic back.

The facts make Biden look like a total failure, there is a reason the even an indicted former President is ahead of him in the polls at the moment, and it isn't because the folks love him.

 

[Damocles]

What you are saying is simply a lie. The US had recovered all the covid job losses by Aug 2022 and Biden has been piling on record job growth since.

An Trumpers are making it clear in the other thread that Donald Trump should get zero credit for his economy during his term and all the credit goes to Congress.

LOL. They got caught up in 2022? We should cheer? Now we can count it as "growth"? (but all that lost growth for 2 years, that's not Biden... That's um... Well... Throw some money at it! Everybody needs two jobs to pay the bills...) that's "record growth"...

African Americans have yet to see the records they had in employment while Trump was President pre-pandemic.

Man, I don't even like Trump, but damn... Biden has really mucked it all up hard. Then every time he tries to tell us inflation is over it grows again. Maybe he should throw more US Dollars on that fire, it sure isn't smothered yet. Like a child throwing water on a grease fire, they wonder why it is spreading...

 

[BartenderElite]

They had literally been approved less than 3 months before. "He increased their use"... duh, if he hadn't I would be mocking him even worse right now. It went from nobody getting them to them getting emergency approvals and everyone getting them. This again ignores the reality. Biden inherited a gift, the end of a pandemic, and his team still managed to mess it up. Instead of massive growth we have stagflation and barely got the jobs put on hold during the pandemic back.

The facts make Biden look like a total failure, there is a reason the even an indicted former President is ahead of him in the polls at the moment, and it isn't because the folks love him.

C'mon, man. Honestly, I really respect your posting here - but the bolded just isn't intellectually honest, or in line w/ reality. Trump did nothing to get the vaccine distributed and administered. Biden passed EO's in his 1st day in office, and if you look at the massive spike in vaccinations within 2 weeks of those EO's, it tells the tale. And that tale isn't that he inherited the "end of the pandemic." Actions he took literally accelerated that, in a major way. I'm not spinning that. Go back & look at the facts..

And you ignored my question about Biden "creating" inflation. Which is kind of telling.

 

[QP!]

LOL. They got caught up in 2022? We should cheer? Now we can count it as "growth"! (but all that lost growth for 2 years, that's not Biden... That's um... Well... Throw some money at it! Everybody needs two jobs to pay the bills...) that's "record growth"...

African Americans have yet to see the records they had in employment while Trump was President pre-pandemic.

ya you are just a troll. Nothing you say has any basis in fact.

You don't have to cheer. NOt messing something up is a good thing though. Unlike Trump who totally messed up his engagement with covid costing the country several key months where they could have worked to keep travelers out. But as Trump admitted 'he always wanted to down play it'.

Blaming Biden for worldwide inflation is simply stupid. Not recognizing Biden and America have handled it BETTER than all peer nations, unilke Trump who handled worldwide covid WORSE than all peer nations.

 

[Damocles]

C'mon, man. Honestly, I really respect your posting here - but the bolded just isn't intellectually honest, or in line w/ reality. Trump did nothing to get the vaccine distributed and administered. Biden passed EO's in his 1st day in office, and if you look at the massive spike in vaccinations within 2 weeks of those EO's, it tells the tale. And that tale isn't that he inherited the "end of the pandemic." Actions he took literally accelerated that, in a major way. I'm not spinning that. Go back & look at the facts..

And you ignored my question about Biden "creating" inflation. Which is kind of telling.

You literally ignore that there was literally no vaccine available until December of the year before the man took office and then spike a football because he was able to get more people to take it than Trump could in a month? Geebus, man. Stop. Most people want to stop digging when they've found themselves in a hole like that one, you are asking for bigger shovels. December 11th is when emergency approval of the vaccine happened. If he couldn't get more folks to take the vaccine than Trump could get in one month then he would be the most inept idiot that ever existed.

 

[BartenderElite]

You literally ignore that there was literally no vaccine available until December of the year before the man took office and then spike a football because he was able to get more people to take it than Trump could in a month? Geebus, man. Stop. Most people want to stop digging when they've found themselves in a hole like that one, you are asking for bigger shovels.

You have offered nothing of substance since we started this conversation, and keep throwing out ad homs like they're good arguments.

No convincing you, but the reality remains: Biden played a big part in getting the vaccines out there & administered. That was happening at a snail's pace when he took office. Again - I would recommend going back & taking a look at what actually happened, instead of making broad pronouncements that have little to no basis in fact.

At least you abandoned the original contention that Biden created global inflation.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You literally ignore that there was literally no vaccine available until December of the year before the man took office and then spike a football because he was able to get more people to take it than Trump could in a month? Geebus, man. Stop. Most people want to stop digging when they've found themselves in a hole like that one, you are asking for bigger shovels.

Which is the Anti-Vaxx Party? While I agree both Democrats and Republicans like to take credit for other people's work, the fact remains Trump, with the support of the Republican Party, did more harm than good during and after the pandemic. It's still ongoing with the anti-vaxx rhetoric, the "masks don't work" bullshit and attacking American medicine.

 

[Damocles]

ya you are just a troll. Nothing you say has any basis in fact.

You don't have to cheer. NOt messing something up is a good thing though. Unlike Trump who totally messed up his engagement with covid costing the country several key months where they could have worked to keep travelers out. But as Trump admitted 'he always wanted to down play it'.

Blaming Biden for worldwide inflation is simply stupid. Not recognizing Biden and America have handled it BETTER than all peer nations, unilke Trump who handled worldwide covid WORSE than all peer nations.

Geebus, this is inanity. I just went over the reality, he literally has been throwing money at every problem generating the inflation that he's "battled" his entire Presidency. His economic "plan" is to throw money at everything he can see and hope it stops the inflation.

Trump literally did everything Dr. Covid asked. But hey, why not listen to the man himself: https://people.com/politics/dr-fauc...-his-recommendations-not-being-forced-to-say/

Hey, he was mean tweeting though, so he was bad. I get that. I don't like Trump much myself. However, the reality was that the vaccine received emergency approval on the 11th of December, just a tiny bit over a month before Biden took office... if Biden hadn't gotten more people to take that vaccine than Trump he literally would have been the stupidest man alive. Which means I am saying he isn't the stupidest man alive. Even with broken brain syndrome he's not the stupidest man alive.

 

[QP!]

I haven't got the foggiest idea. Not sure what that has to do with the fact you maggots are prosecuting your political rival. Please stop pretending it's about "no one's above the law". Even you know that's bullshit.

Only republi'cans' Trump derps believe 'Trump is above the law' and think it is bullshit to believe otherwise.

Trump investigations all began before he was announced as a POTUS candidate so they have nothing to do with him running as they were preoceeding to this same point even if he choose not to run.

 

[Damocles]

You have offered nothing of substance since we started this conversation, and keep throwing out ad homs like they're good arguments.

No convincing you, but the reality remains: Biden played a big part in getting the vaccines out there & administered. That was happening at a snail's pace when he took office. Again - I would recommend going back & taking a look at what actually happened, instead of making broad pronouncements that have little to no basis in fact.

At least you abandoned the original contention that Biden created global inflation.

Again, he was the only one that could have played a big part in that, it literally was not available until a one month and nine days before he took office. He inherited 3 vaccines, if he hadn't been able to improve on the number of vaccinations from the previous administration that would have been EPIC fail. Claiming it is a "win" because Trump didn't get it all out there before they even manufactured it is just absurdity. Both of the Admins have a claim in that success. This guy told me that Biden "exponentially increased" and I said "duh"... and what I said was true. If he hadn't then he would be known as the stupidest man who ever took that office. (He may still be known as that, the jury is still out).