Reuters: White House TOLD OF militant claim two hours after LIBYA ATTACK, emails show

[Timshel]

[Updated at 12:23 p.m. ET] A grenade attack created a fire in the U.S. consulate building in Benghazi, which created a very complicated and complex situation for those inside, according to a senior U.S. official familiar with the details of what happened.

"Folks inside were fighting the fire inside and the attackers outside. It was a cascading casualty, and Amb. Chris Stevens and the others got separated trying to escape to the roof of the building, ultimately succumbing to smoke inhalation," the U.S. official told CNN's Jill Dougherty. "There will be more details as we go forward, but there were several valiant attempts to re-enter the burning building to find and save the ones we lost. Valiant but unsuccessful."

Another senior official with the State Department confirmed the details as well.

What do you think this proves? Are you confusing the time this news was "updated" as estabilishing the time actual events occured? Please, tell me you have some better sense than that.

Do you have a link so that we can see the full context or are you trying to hide it?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

What do you think this proves? Are you confusing the time this news was "updated" as estabilishing the time actual events occured? Please, tell me you have some better sense than that.

Do you have a link so that we can see the full context or are you trying to hide it?

Look, I am tired of playing your little game. You asked for the "first-hand account" and I gave it to you. It refutes the argument that Stephens died within the first hour of the attack. If you simply want to disbelieve what eye-witnesses said, that's up to you. The Ambassador DIDN'T die in the first hour, or the second or third hour. He moved to a safe room, and when that was breached by the fire, he was being moved to the roof of the complex, and was lost in the haze. He died of smoke inhalation from a fire that didn't happen until near the END of the attacks. There are other accounts which say the Ambassador was raped before being killed, I haven't included those because they haven't been confirmed by the State Department.

And NO, I don't have a link, I don't DO links, because whenever that happens, you fucktards derail the conversation and start attacking the source as right-wing propaganda. You are welcome to google the quote above, and find links to the accounts yourself. What I posted has been confirmed by the State Department.

 

[Timshel]

There is nothing out of context, that IS what happened. Our consulate was attacked by terrorists, we knew within 2 hours, this was the case, and the president chose to do nothing. He went on with his fundraising as planned, and sent his cronies out to spin this lie about the "spontaneous uprising" which they are still trying to run back to, even as it has been completely discredited.

Again, you drop context. You took ME out of context moron to pretend that we were agreeing in some way.

The PLAN I was referring to was our initial involvement in Libya. I am not going to bother micromanaging and second guessing the application of the plan or pretending that if it were just not for the evil one in the White House it could have all worked perfectly. I will leave that for you partisan hacks, benchwarmers and haters.

You start a war there are going to be casualties. What losers like you do is the definition of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. There is no perfect solution to the different problems in the middle east. IMO, Obama has done better than Bush and I don't see Romney offering anything better.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Again, you drop context. You took ME out of context moron to pretend that we were agreeing in some way.

The PLAN I was referring to was our initial involvement in Libya. I am not going to bother micromanaging and second guessing the application of the plan or pretending that if it were just not for the evil one in the White House it could have all worked perfectly. I will leave that for you partisan hacks, benchwarmers and haters.

You start a war there are going to be casualties. What losers like you do is the definition of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. There is no perfect solution to the different problems in the middle east. IMO, Obama has done better than Bush and I don't see Romney offering anything better.

Well now you are trying to play off the disastrous lack of response to a terrorist attack in Benghazi by running to some general philosophy on middle-eastern policy of the US. That's just a flat out DODGE! IF... IF... IF... We can play this game all day!

Obama is not measured by how much better (in your opinion) he is, than Bush would have been! We simply do not know what Bush's response to the terrorist attacks would have been, if he were president! It does not matter! What does matter, is whether Obama executed the appropriate "plan" in response to the attacks, and he didn't. Now we're left with you spinning in the wind, trying to obfuscate and make excuses for his failures.

 

[Timshel]

Look, I am tired of playing your little game. You asked for the "first-hand account" and I gave it to you. It refutes the argument that Stephens died within the first hour of the attack. If you simply want to disbelieve what eye-witnesses said, that's up to you. The Ambassador DIDN'T die in the first hour, or the second or third hour. He moved to a safe room, and when that was breached by the fire, he was being moved to the roof of the complex, and was lost in the haze. He died of smoke inhalation from a fire that didn't happen until near the END of the attacks. There are other accounts which say the Ambassador was raped before being killed, I haven't included those because they haven't been confirmed by the State Department.

And NO, I don't have a link, I don't DO links, because whenever that happens, you fucktards derail the conversation and start attacking the source as right-wing propaganda. You are welcome to google the quote above, and find links to the accounts yourself. What I posted has been confirmed by the State Department.

LOL... OMG, what a pathetic joke you are.

You provide an account of a news organization quoting an unnamed US official that was likely relaying information on what they were being told was happneing in Benghazi and you call that a FIRST HAND ACCOUNT. Then you use the time the newspaper updated their site as indicating the time that the events were actually occuring.

Then when asked for a link you claim I am playing some little game? Nooooo, I am looking for some sort of confirmation that you are accurately basing your claims of the timeline on a first hand account. You have proven that you are not, so don't bother with the link.

I don't know that I am right about his death occuring in the first hour. I made that clear. It's a bit of a guess based on what was in the emails and other sources I have read. If you have some reliable source that indicates otherwise I would appreciate a link to it. YOU are about the partisan game, not me. I am interested in learning the truth or as near to it as is possible. It does me no good or harm if he died in the first hour or the last. It does not change my opinion on anything and the point was only made to counter your armchair quarterbacking. You seem to think you could have handled the situation better, but I see no reason to believe that.

 

[Timshel]

Well now you are trying to play off the disastrous lack of response to a terrorist attack in Benghazi by running to some general philosophy on middle-eastern policy of the US. That's just a flat out DODGE! IF... IF... IF... We can play this game all day!

Obama is not measured by how much better (in your opinion) he is, than Bush would have been! We simply do not know what Bush's response to the terrorist attacks would have been, if he were president! It does not matter! What does matter, is whether Obama executed the appropriate "plan" in response to the attacks, and he didn't. Now we're left with you spinning in the wind, trying to obfuscate and make excuses for his failures.

No, I AM NOT MAKING EXCUSES CONCERNING HIS RESPONSE YOU CONTEXT DROPPING MORON! I said...

Obama's fault in this situation is just what Napolitano said it was. He proceeded with a bad plan and now has a messy situation to deal with. Whiners and nit pickers are now tearing apart every little thing that is going wrong but they fail to offer any coherent alternative and never have offered any coherent alternative. It is very much like the Democrats that went along with Iraq until the bodies started coming home. Some of the NON-PARTISAN critics knew where it was all headed and don't need to create dark fantasies of pure evil and good to understand that shit happens.

...

I don't see any reason to believe that his response was the problem. You have NOT established that. You pretend there is some sort of perfect solution or if only Bush and his blue jeans were there nothing would ever go wrong, because you are a partisan hack.

I refuse to pretend that there is a perfect solution. I still fail to understand why it is, that you on the right seem to think this casualty is so important that the President should have moved heaven and earth to prevent it while our soldiers die every day. I recall, you arguing that press reports of the casualties were just some sort of left wing media conspiracy to make Bush look bad. But this casualty, omg, we need congressional hearings. It appears to me that you are a batshit crazy partisan hack. Further, it appears you don't actually care about Stevens or anybody else.

 

[Timshel]

[Updated at 12:23 p.m. ET] A grenade attack created a fire in the U.S. consulate building in Benghazi, which created a very complicated and complex situation for those inside, according to a senior U.S. official familiar with the details of what happened.

"Folks inside were fighting the fire inside and the attackers outside. It was a cascading casualty, and Amb. Chris Stevens and the others got separated trying to escape to the roof of the building, ultimately succumbing to smoke inhalation," the U.S. official told CNN's Jill Dougherty. "There will be more details as we go forward, but there were several valiant attempts to re-enter the burning building to find and save the ones we lost. Valiant but unsuccessful."

Another senior official with the State Department confirmed the details as well.

Actually, I am no longer sure what you intended to prove with this. The information is like 4th or 5th hand. The timestamp appears to be at least 20 hours after the event.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/1...-others-killed-in-rocket-attack-witness-says/

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

I don't see any reason to believe that his response was the problem. You have NOT established that. You pretend there is some sort of perfect solution or if only Bush and his blue jeans were there nothing would ever go wrong, because you are a partisan hack.

The very SECOND the news arrived that our US Consulate was under attack in Benghazi, I would have immediately ordered a counter-strike from our fighter jets in Italy. I wouldn't have needed to wait and find out more information, or think about the what ifs. The fact that our people were under attack by terrorists (or spontaneous 'video' protesters), would have been enough. This president FAILED TO ACT! Instead, he ignored this and allowed it to unfold, and our Ambassador was killed along with three other brave Americans who attempted to save him. But it goes further... Not only did Obama FAIL TO ACT, he carried on with his fundraising and campaigning plans, completely oblivious to their situation, and sent his people out there to tell outright LIES about what was going on. Over the next two weeks, they clung to the story, insisting this was some spontaneous uprising... not a terrorist attack... no, wait, it WAS an "acts of terror" cuz the prez said so on 9/12... no, wait, we didn't know what it was at the time... no, wait, maybe it was related to the video... no, wait... maybe it wasn't, we're still investigating! You people have taken every possible position on this, and the bottom line is, the President FAILED TO ACT! And instead of 7-minutes with the My Pet Goat book, we have over a month of indecisiveness and inability to handle the situation, wrapped in a myriad of excuses and obfuscation.... AND STILL NO ACTION!

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Actually, I am no longer sure what you intended to prove with this. The information is like 4th or 5th hand. The timestamp appears to be at least 20 hours after the event.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/1...-others-killed-in-rocket-attack-witness-says/

Stop obsessing on the time stamp, idiot, it's not relevant. It's merely the time at which the eye-witness reports were made public by the source, and has absolutely NOTHING to do with the events or when they transpired. The information is a direct QUOTE from someone who was there, that IS a first-hand account, whether you like it or not.

 

[Timshel]

The very SECOND the news arrived that our US Consulate was under attack in Benghazi, I would have immediately ordered a counter-strike from our fighter jets in Italy. I wouldn't have needed to wait and find out more information, or think about the what ifs. The fact that our people were under attack by terrorists (or spontaneous 'video' protesters), would have been enough. This president FAILED TO ACT! Instead, he ignored this and allowed it to unfold, and our Ambassador was killed along with three other brave Americans who attempted to save him. But it goes further... Not only did Obama FAIL TO ACT, he carried on with his fundraising and campaigning plans, completely oblivious to their situation, and sent his people out there to tell outright LIES about what was going on. Over the next two weeks, they clung to the story, insisting this was some spontaneous uprising... not a terrorist attack... no, wait, it WAS an "acts of terror" cuz the prez said so on 9/12... no, wait, we didn't know what it was at the time... no, wait, maybe it was related to the video... no, wait... maybe it wasn't, we're still investigating! You people have taken every possible position on this, and the bottom line is, the President FAILED TO ACT! And instead of 7-minutes with the My Pet Goat book, we have over a month of indecisiveness and inability to handle the situation, wrapped in a myriad of excuses and obfuscation.... AND STILL NO ACTION!

Yeah armchair quarterbacking. If only you were not a fat loser MAYBE Stevens would still be alive.

Again, it appears he would have been dead anyway and you would be left to explain why every American, including soldiers, does not deserve the same sort of defense and all sorts of new problems with the new leadership in Libya.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/libya-consulate-attack-scene/index.html

 

[Timshel]

Stop obsessing on the time stamp, idiot, it's not relevant. It's merely the time at which the eye-witness reports were made public by the source, and has absolutely NOTHING to do with the events or when they transpired. The information is a direct QUOTE from someone who was there, that IS a first-hand account, whether you like it or not.

Yeah, I said I was no longer sure what sort of point you were making.

It was not an eye witness report. No where in the quote or in the original source does it indicate that the source was there. It implies the individual was not there.

according to a senior U.S. official familiar with the details of what happened.

Whether you like it or not, it is not a first hand account. At the very best it was passed from someone on the scene, to the us official, to Jill Dougherty, to the blogger.

You show no ability to be able to filter information and for you to second guess Obama is comical. You are a fool. Thankfully, even Metoo Romney has shown more understanding than simpletons like you.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Yeah, I said I was no longer sure what sort of point you were making.

It was not an eye witness report. No where in the quote or in the original source does it indicate that the source was there. It implies the individual was not there.

according to a senior U.S. official familiar with the details of what happened.

Whether you like it or not, it is not a first hand account. At the very best it was passed from someone on the scene, to the us official, to Jill Dougherty, to the blogger.

You show no ability to be able to filter information and for you to second guess Obama is comical. You are a fool. Thankfully, even Metoo Romney has shown more understanding than simpletons like you.

And now you are running to the ZappedInTheBrain strategy... unless someone comes to your home and lays it out on the coffee table and explains every aspect of every detail to you, it can't be accepted! If you hear something on the news, it's already 2nd hand information! Unless it originated from the news source, it's already 3rd hand information! Therefore, you can "reasonably" claim that virtually ANY information we receive, is 2nd or 3rd hand information.... because a General or Secretary didn't actually come to your home and sit down at the coffee table and lay it all out for you... and even then, where did they get the info? You're SUCH a fucking idiot!

The details I posted earlier, literally couldn't have come from anywhere but a first-hand eyewitness source. The Ambassador simply didn't die in the first hour, the first two hours, the first three hours of the attack. He died near the END of the attack, and was likely the "objective" of said attack to begin with. The siege went on for over 6 hours, and we had fighter jets an hour away. We knew within 2 hours it was a planned and coordinated terrorist attack. There is absolutely NO justifiable excuse for not taking SOME action! It doesn't matter if Obama "knew for sure" why the attack occurred, or what information was available. From the information we KNOW he had available, he SHOULD have acted. And that's setting aside the fact that had he beefed up security like the Ambassador begged him to do for months before the attack, the attack may have never happened.

 

[Jarod]

And the FACT will not change, that Obama knew within 2 hours the attacks were not a spontaneous uprising but a planned coordinated terror attack on the anniversary of 9/11. The FACT will not change, that the Ambassador had BEGGED for extra security in the weeks and months before the attacks. The FACT will not change, that we left air support on the ground and failed to respond to what Obama knew was a terror attack, and allowed the terrorists to kill an Ambassador, while he planned a fundraising trip to Vegas. And finally, the FACT will not change, that for TWO WEEKS, the Administration stuck by a LIE that this was the result of protests over a video and NOT a terrorist attack.

Please provide me a cite where the President said it was NOT a terrorist attack.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Please provide me a cite where the President said it was NOT a terrorist attack.

They are still out there running around today trying to claim they still think it had something to do with the video!

Cite me ONE statement from this president where he clearly stated that it was INDEED a "TERRORIST ATTACK?"

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

They are still out there running around today trying to claim they still think it had something to do with the video!

Cite me ONE statement from this president where he clearly stated that it was INDEED a "TERRORIST ATTACK?"

he called it an act of terror, stop being an pin head about thsi

 

[Jarod]

They are still out there running around today trying to claim they still think it had something to do with the video!

Cite me ONE statement from this president where he clearly stated that it was INDEED a "TERRORIST ATTACK?"

You are the one who said he claimed it was NOT a terrorist attack, so you come up with the cite to such a statement.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

he called it an act of terror, stop being an pin head about thsi

Yeah, but he didn't really call it an act of terror, if you read the transcript as he suggested. Still, that was the claim... problem is, the claims change depending on the question. If you ask why they didn't respond to the "act of terror" and try to save the Ambassador, it's because they didn't have enough information and weren't sure what was going on. When you question them about the claims it was a "spontaneous uprising" they attempt to claim it was both. Some Libyans spontaneously uprose over a video, and a planned coordinated terror attack happened, just like that! So we now have three claims rotating out on an as-needed basis, to answer whatever the question.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

You are the one who said he claimed it was NOT a terrorist attack, so you come up with the cite to such a statement.

Bravo posted it earlier, his spokesCarney repeatedly said it wasn't a terrorist attack. That went on for 2 weeks, and it wasn't until Romney called him out in the second debate, that they ran to this "no acts of terror will shake our resolve" line in his Rose Garden speech. But then, if they knew it was an act of terror (i.e.; terrorist attack), why didn't they send the fighter jets in from Italy? Oh wait... we didn't know anything for certain! Again, they claim they didn't know, but they also did know! Both at the same time!

 

[Timshel]

And now you are running to the ZappedInTheBrain strategy... unless someone comes to your home and lays it out on the coffee table and explains every aspect of every detail to you, it can't be accepted! If you hear something on the news, it's already 2nd hand information! Unless it originated from the news source, it's already 3rd hand information! Therefore, you can "reasonably" claim that virtually ANY information we receive, is 2nd or 3rd hand information.... because a General or Secretary didn't actually come to your home and sit down at the coffee table and lay it all out for you... and even then, where did they get the info? You're SUCH a fucking idiot!

The details I posted earlier, literally couldn't have come from anywhere but a first-hand eyewitness source. The Ambassador simply didn't die in the first hour, the first two hours, the first three hours of the attack. He died near the END of the attack, and was likely the "objective" of said attack to begin with. The siege went on for over 6 hours, and we had fighter jets an hour away. We knew within 2 hours it was a planned and coordinated terrorist attack. There is absolutely NO justifiable excuse for not taking SOME action! It doesn't matter if Obama "knew for sure" why the attack occurred, or what information was available. From the information we KNOW he had available, he SHOULD have acted. And that's setting aside the fact that had he beefed up security like the Ambassador begged him to do for months before the attack, the attack may have never happened.

It is not even close to a first hand account. The original source was not there. SENIOR US OFFICIAL. What senior US official was there?

I don't need anybody to come to my house. Quit being such a silly little twit.

 

[Timshel]

They are still out there running around today trying to claim they still think it had something to do with the video!

Cite me ONE statement from this president where he clearly stated that it was INDEED a "TERRORIST ATTACK?"

It did have some connection to the video. The video likely motivated some into attacking. But more importantly the unrest in Cairo, which was clearly about the video, was seized upon as an opportunity to attack.

So what?