Immanuel
Junior Member
Democrat politicians? Republican politicians? Just more of the same ole shit if you ask me.
Immie
Republicans gone wild!
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Democrat politicians? Republican politicians? Just more of the same ole shit if you ask me.
Immie
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
Its the same for about 1/2 of the Republicans. We still have 100 or so in Congress that are real conservatives; none of them are Democrats.
Immanuel
Junior Member
They all want power. It is what they do with it when they get it, that is the issue.
Unfortunately, it doesn't matter whether they are conservative or liberal when they get power like they hold in Washington, the rest of us are going to get screwed.
Immie
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
The power to reduce the size and scope of government (the conservative goal) is not the same as the power to increase government influence (the liberal goal).
Immanuel
Junior Member
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
It may seem that way, and certainly some turn liberal when they've been there a while. There are actually 66 who score 100% on the American Conservative Union's ratings:Then by the time they get to Washington, they are all liberal.
Immie
Senate (not so many here)
John Barrasso (R-WY)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Jim DeMint (R-SC)
James Inhofe (R-OK)
Jon Kyl (R-AZ)
House
Todd Akin (R-MO)
Michele Bachmann (R-MN)
Richard Baker (R-LA)
J. Gresham Barrett (R-SC)
Rob Bishop (R-UT)
Marsha Blackburn (R-TN)
John A. Boehner (R-OH)
Charles W. Boustany, Jr. (R-LA)
Kevin Brady (R-TX)
Paul C. Broun (R-GA)
Michael Burgess (R-TX)
Eric Cantor (R-VA)
John Carter (R-TX)
Steve Chabot (R-OH)
Tom Cole (R-OK)
Barbara Cubin (R-WY)
John Culberson (R-TX)
David Davis (R-TN)
Nathan Deal (R-GA)
John Doolittle (R-CA)
Thelma D. Drake (R-VA)
Mary Fallin (R-OK)
Jeff Flake (R-AZ)
Virginia Foxx (R-NC)
Trent Franks (R-AZ)
Scott Garrett (R-NJ)
Phil Gingrey (R-GA)
Louie Gohmert (R-TX)
Denny Hastert (R-IL)
Doc Hastings (R-WA)
Jeb Hensarling (R-TX)
Duncan Hunter (R-CA)
Sam Johnson (R-TX)
Jim Jordan (R-OH)
Steve King (R-IA)
John Kline (R-MN)
Doug Lamborn (R-CO)
Robert E. Latta (R-OH)
John Linder (R-OH)
Frank Lucas (R-OK)
Donald Manzullo (R-IL)
Kevin McCarthy (R-CA)
Patrick T. McHenry (R-NC)
John Mica (R-FL)
Gary Miller (R-CA)
Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO)
Randy Neugebauer (R-TX)
Devin Nunes (R-CA)
Joseph R. Pitts (R-PA)
Tom Price (R-GA)
George P. Radanovich (R-CA)
Mike Rogers (R-MI)
Ed Royce (R-CA)
Bill Sali (R-ID)
John Shadegg (R-AZ)
John Sullivan (R-OK)
Tom Tancredo (R-CO)
Mac Thornberry (R-TX)
Timothy Walberg (R-MI)
Lynn A. Westmoreland (R-GA)
Robert J.Wittman (R-VA)
Musgrave and Tancredo are no longer in Congress. Tom's seat went to Mike Coffman. Good guy, the only reason I supported another in the Primary was because I hoped Coffman would stay as Sec of State until the end of his term then run against Bennett (at that time it was actually Salazar).
Immanuel
Junior Member
Serious question here as I have not yet taken the time to look this up, but where did George Bush stand pre Presidential election in this?
Just curious.
Y'all know my feelings on Bush.
Immie
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
He wasn't a member of Congress. Bush was a successful governor of Texas. He ran against two of the biggest liberals in Congress: Gore and Kerry.Serious question here as I have not yet taken the time to look this up, but where did George Bush stand pre Presidential election in this?
Just curious.
Y'all know my feelings on Bush.
Immie
Immanuel
Junior Member
I realize that, however, I am fairly certain the ACU rates governors as well. Therefore, he would have a rating, right?
Or was he just too liberal for them to rate?
Immie
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
So do your research http://www.conservative.org/I realize that, however, I am fairly certain the ACU rates governors as well. Therefore, he would have a rating, right?
Or was he just too liberal for them to rate?
Immie
My point is it doesn't really matter since he was running against extreme left wingers. Hell even Gore was glad that Bush was president after 9-11.
Immanuel
Junior Member
And my point is that even with a 100% rating they are probably not all that conservative. See what I am saying? My guess is President Bush was a realtively high percentage before his election and look how he turned out.
Immie
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
You're saying something based on two assumptions and don't have a logical basis for either.
Immanuel
Junior Member
It seems pretty logical to me. Bush was seen as the conservative's conservative. He was backed by the conservative crowd wholeheartedly. Yet, he proved to be the most liberal spending President and the most liberal President regarding our constitutional rights in modern history.
The ACU, a conservative organization, backs the members of Congress you listed... wholeheartedly. How many of them will turn out to be the most liberal...? Something tells me they ought to revamp their rating system.
The proof is in the pudding.
Unless of course, you are saying that the only reason the conservative crowd backed him was because Gore and Kerry were more liberal than he was and if that is the case, then how can anyone trust their rating system at all?
Immie
evince
Truthmatters
Every dem who runs gets called an extreme left winger by the Rs.
Now they are calling Obama who ran on a platform that the vast majority of voters approved an extreme left winger.
He is a centerist , the vast vote PROVES THAT!
You are extreme right wing and Obama is the center fo the country.
Gore won too, Kerry likely did also.
Your team has to cheat to win.
Now they are calling Obama who ran on a platform that the vast majority of voters approved an extreme left winger.
He is a centerist , the vast vote PROVES THAT!
You are extreme right wing and Obama is the center fo the country.
Gore won too, Kerry likely did also.
Your team has to cheat to win.
Immanuel
Junior Member
Get real!
The fact that more people voted for him than voted for McCain does not prove that Obama is a centrist, which looking at his spending habits he clearly is not. It simply means that most people think that John McCain is an ass.
I am extreme right wing? Get real!! You have got to be kidding me.
My team? I don't have a team. You have a team. Your team cheats just as much as the other team, but you are too frigging blind to see it.
Immie
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
I don't recall anyone saying the Bush was "the conservative's conservative"; Perhaps you can locate someone with any influence saying that back in 2000 I'd like to see it if so. In fact I vaguely remember some other primary GOP candidates that campaigned on their conservative records being better than their competition.
The ACU rates politicians based on the voting record. I suppose someone can be a closet liberal, get elected as a conservative then vote conservative for a few years only to show their true colors when they get into a position of real power but that sounds more like a spy novel then reality. I do not disagree, however, that politicians seem to turn left when they've been in Washington for a while, and that includes some Bush spending policies.