Republicans don't love or trust America anymore

Jarod said:
You guys made a huge mistake by hanging the anti-establishment movement on the extremely flawed Trump.

It set back the anti-establishment movement (which I am a part of) WAY back. We had to revert to the ultimate establishment guy Biden just to regain our footing and start over.
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so you're saying that you sided with the establishment because the other side wrongly used anti establishment?

I hate to break it to you, but that makes you an establishment dupe.
 
Stringfellow Hawk said:
As we have seen from the left with endless, worthless investigations of Trump by the butthurt left wingnuts
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No investigation that gives the American people more information is worthless, I am very glad the information about Trump was collected and is there for the American people, even if a large group refuse to read it.

I am glad the spent 4 years investigating Hillary on BENGHAZI. She was cleared, the Muller investigation DID NOT clear Trump, but so many who refused to read it claim it did. I am glad they did the investigation sad that so many refuse to read it and just accepted the FOX NEWS/TRUMP analysis of it.

It will be there for history.
 
Jarod said:
Ok, good, neither do good Politicians, but Trump does. Can you not see that?
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I pointed out that obvious shit when he was shown on the news about destroying a sheriffs career because he didn't agree with the asset forfeiture law...............DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!

this is a huge part of your problem, since you're part of the establishment, is that you can only see 'US vs THEM'.........the thought of someone not being on either side seems foreign to you
 
Jarod said:
No investigation that gives the American people more information is worthless, I am very glad the information about Trump was collected and is there for the American people, even if a large group refuse to read it.

I am glad the spent 4 years investigating Hillary on BENGHAZI. She was cleared, the Muller investigation DID NOT clear Trump, but so many who refused to read it claim it did. I am glad they did the investigation sad that so many refuse to read it and just accepted the FOX NEWS/TRUMP analysis of it.

It will be there for history.
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Trump has been cleared in every investigation so far, it is wasted taxpayer dollars, of course burdens to society like you don't care
 
Yakuda said:
Don't let your hysteria get the best of you buddy. You're coming unhinged. If you want to abolish the electoral college, great, but I'd suggest a better argument than, it should be the popular vote. On its face that makes no sense as I pointed out. The founders could very well have set it up to be by popular vote but they didn't. And for a very good reason, tyranny of the majority.

Look you can wave your arms and call me unamerican and hypocritical and say my shit don't stink but that doesn't change the fact that the popular vote was rejected by the founders and your only argument thus far is, "it should be popular vote". The other FACT that remains is you people hate it because it's an obstacle to you. Nothing more nothing less. So keep wailing or give a better argument. You can disagree all you like but holding your breath til you turn blue isn't convincing.
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I agree with you arguments and your point. The founders also knew the world could change and put into the Constitution a method for change. They also felt black people should be counted as less of a person than White people. They knew their shit stunk.

To say dissent is not allowed is unAmerican. To say proposing change is not allowed is unAmerican.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I pointed out that obvious shit when he was shown on the news about destroying a sheriffs career because he didn't agree with the asset forfeiture law...............DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!

this is a huge part of your problem, since you're part of the establishment, is that you can only see 'US vs THEM'.........the thought of someone not being on either side seems foreign to you
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You automatically assume the FBI and justice department had no valid reason for their search warrant, with no evidence what so ever!
 
Jarod said:
Untrue.

Maybe not so much you, but the Trump movement cant admit a single thing wrong with him.
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agreed, about the trumpers that is. with the caveat that I'd put that on about 95% of them. the 5% that I know totally admitted that trump was wrong about due process on red flag laws and banning bump stocks.

I'd say the same percentage exists with the left base...........
 
SmarterthanYou said:
so you're saying that you sided with the establishment because the other side wrongly used anti establishment?

I hate to break it to you, but that makes you an establishment dupe.
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No that is not what I was saying.

I sided with the establishment because the anti-establishment crew was going off a cliff toward something worse than the establishment.
 
Jarod said:
You automatically assume the FBI and justice department had no valid reason for their search warrant, with no evidence what so ever!
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No, YOU automatically assume I believed they had no valid reason when, IN FACT, MY only issue was that I believe it was a political dog and pony show for the left to use it to discredit trump in any way possible. NORMAL politics would have dictated that it's done privately, not publically, because of the former president issue. But normal politics has been discarded for years due to hatred from both sides.
 
BartenderElite said:
They don't trust our institutions, our elections, the media or our system. They see a conspiracy or "deep state" operative around every corner. They no longer see this country as working for their interests or protecting them.

They see the state as the enemy.

There are a lot of reasons for this. For some, it goes back to Ruby Ridge & Waco. For others, it's just that their guy - who they thought was unbeatable - lost. Subconsciously, I think many understand that changing demographics will make it harder to win elections without moderating or compromising. Consciously, they refer some of that to "replacement theory."

It's not sustainable for a country to have at least a third and as many as half of its citizens feel this way. So, we have to figure it out, and fix it. It's too easy to just dismiss these concerns and call them nutters, but the fear they have is real.
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It's not only the overblown fear they have. More of a problem is the real fear they are instilling. An entire board of election workers in Texas just quit after receiving threats of violence from Trump supporters. Election workers elsewhere have left their jobs for the same reason, including several in Georgia. Senator Grassley on FOX the other day speculated that new IRS funding might be to enable agents to intimidate and even shoot business owners. School teachers are resigning. Threats of Right wing violence are everywhere on social media, all of it stoked by Trump and his supporters.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I pointed out that obvious shit when he was shown on the news about destroying a sheriffs career because he didn't agree with the asset forfeiture law...............DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!

this is a huge part of your problem, since you're part of the establishment, is that you can only see 'US vs THEM'.........the thought of someone not being on either side seems foreign to you
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You sided with an insane man with fascist tendencies who is ignorant of the principals of government and wanted him to be the start of the development of a new order.
 
Jarod said:
No that is not what I was saying.

I sided with the establishment because the anti-establishment crew was going off a cliff toward something worse than the establishment.
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there is NOTHING worse than the establishment. you got played by a two party system. that makes you a dupe or weak. your choice
 
Jarod said:
You sided with an insane man with fascist tendencies who is ignorant of the principals of government and wanted him to be the start of the development of a new order.
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and this is where you show that you're both weak AND a dupe of the establishment..........by claiming I chose a side, when in fact I did not.
 
Jarod said:
I agree with you arguments and your point. The founders also knew the world could change and put into the Constitution a method for change. They also felt black people should be counted as less of a person than White people. They knew their shit stunk.

To say dissent is not allowed is unAmerican. To say proposing change is not allowed is unAmerican.
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Yes they did think that about blacks but this issue is nothing like that. The very same conditions that existed then exist today. Abolish the electoral college and basically CA and NY would elect the president. What's the argument you have to change the electoral college and not end up with a tyranny of the majority?

Repeating that hysterical garbage makes you sound crazy and it does nothing to convince me you have a good enough argument to go against the founders. Again though I'm willing to listen.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Only a moron and/or mentally disturbed person could believe in this Failed Elite Class which has so profoundly betrayed us, and guided America to ruin.
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You mean the majority of Americans



This is a democracy you fucking Russo bot hole


We do what the majority votes for


You assholes have begun to pretend you don’t have to


Try to break our union


Try to SCARE the majority into being your obedient slaves


Death will come to you


We will arrest you for your crimes against the people

You violence won’t be tolerated
 
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