Rep Ryan kicked some serious ass

[Damocles]

He mentioned that those programs were bankrupt and this new one would do the same thing. He then pointed out why.

He then showed he understood balance sheets by clearly indicating how many of the things are double counted as "savings" as well as the fact that they take funds from such things as social security and other areas to supposedly make it "save" us money.

I loved the portion where he says they put in the doctor pay decreases and then are working on a side bill already to ensure that doesn't happen, and how decreases in medicare are double billed as savings....

It was quite eye-opening and all Obama had to say was "we disagree on the numbers but I don't want to get bogged down in that."...

 

[Damocles]

What solutions did Rep. Ryan offer?

Starting over, like the constituency wants, and creating a bill that addresses costs without balance sheet hocus pocus.

 

[Bonestorm]

Starting over, like the constituency wants, and creating a bill that addresses costs without balance sheet hocus pocus.

So none. "Start over" is not a solution.

 

[DamnYankee]

What solutions did Rep. Ryan offer?

He cited some of those earlier, in the morning session, starting at time stamp 1:37.

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[Bonestorm]

He cited some of those earlier, in the morning session, starting at time stamp 1:37.

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That seems to be largely a defense of the status quo. That isn't a solution either. It's more of a statement that the status quo is alright, let the states decided what insurance can be offered and keep the federal government out of it.

 

[Jarod]

You cant start over, so much discussion and debate has already occured, common ground has been found.

There are parts everyone has agreed to..

The R's want to start over to avoid the Democrats from having any accomplishments come November!

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

So none. "Start over" is not a solution.

You are such a fucking hack. Ryan HAS proposed alternatives and like every other Rep that has done so, he has been shut out of the discussion by your precious leaders.

that way idiotic lemmings such as yourself can keep pretending the Reps are not offering any proposals.

Pretending that his saying 'start over' was all he had to offer is simply fucking retarded.

 

[Jarod]

You are such a fucking hack. Ryan HAS proposed alternatives and like every other Rep that has done so, he has been shut out of the discussion by your precious leaders.

that way idiotic lemmings such as yourself can keep pretending the Reps are not offering any proposals.

Pretending that his saying 'start over' was all he had to offer is simply fucking retarded.

He sure did not seem shut out yesterday!

 

[DamnYankee]

That seems to be largely a defense of the status quo. That isn't a solution either. It's more of a statement that the status quo is alright, let the states decided what insurance can be offered and keep the federal government out of it.

Actually one of the first things that Ryan proposed was to stop the feds from the current practice of not letting insurance companies insure to groups that cross state lines. Why would Democrats be against that?

 

[Damocles]

So none. "Start over" is not a solution.

This is weak as heck. If you start on a journey, find you have gone the wrong way, you can either continue to go the wrong way and never get where you want or you can start over.

Pretending that it isn't a solution, let alone the only viable option, is just sad partisan blindness. Again, being partisan is good, but when you let it cloud your judgment to this level it's just blindness.

 

[Bonestorm]

You are such a fucking hack. Ryan HAS proposed alternatives and like every other Rep that has done so, he has been shut out of the discussion by your precious leaders.

that way idiotic lemmings such as yourself can keep pretending the Reps are not offering any proposals.

Pretending that his saying 'start over' was all he had to offer is simply fucking retarded.

I was informed that Rep. Ryan offered solutions at yesterday's summit. I asked for examples. I was told that his solution was "start over." I pointed out that "start over" is not a solution, which it isn't.

What solutions did he offer yesterday? I was told he offered some. What are they?

And Rep Ryan wasn't really shut out of the process. The House bill went through the committee that he is ranking member of. Hearings were held where he had every opportunity to present his case. He offered amendments to the bill which were voted on by the committee. That's how the process works.

 

[Damocles]

He sure did not seem shut out yesterday!

Yeah. One day used in an attempt to make it seem like it was the "republicans fault". All we learned was that it is still a bad bill, and that Obama's team didn't learn even one iota from Brown's election. They say they did, but went immediately behind closed doors to do the same deals that got them where they were before... Then to have a meeting for one day, and still say they were going to work on shoving it unchanged down the throats of the people who don't want it?

 

[Bonestorm]

Actually one of the first things that Ryan proposed was to stop the feds from the current practice of not letting insurance companies insure to groups that cross state lines. Why would Democrats be against that?

This has been explained by me many, many many time. Here's a post from just this morning:

Not sure what you mean. If you are asking why Congress won't let insurers sell across state lines the problem is that there is a genuine concern that insurers will flock to a state with low regulations and sell shitty insurance everywhere, much like credit card companies flock to states that allow them to rip off consumers. However, the Senate bill that passed allowed for states to form insurance compacts allowing for states to join together and have insurers in one state sell to consumers in any of the other states within the compact. This was a compromise position that is designed to allow insurers to sell across state lines while avoiding a "race to the bottom."

Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - did obama actually show bipartisanship or compromise?

 

[DamnYankee]

This has been explained by me many, many many time. Here's a post from just this morning:



Just Plain Politics! - View Single Post - did obama actually show bipartisanship or compromise?

That's not the same issue, nor does it matter to the point being made right now. Are you now backing off you earlier assertion that Ryan offered no solutions?

 

[Bonestorm]

That's not the same issue, nor does it matter to the point being made right now. Are you now backing off you earlier assertion that Ryan offered no solutions?

Not at all. I was simply responding to your question.

What solutions did he offer yesterday? I watched the video at the 1:27 mark like you suggested and he appeared to be defending the status quo, not offering any solutions.


Edit: And my post directly addresses your question.

 

[Jarod]

Yeah. One day used in an attempt to make it seem like it was the "republicans fault". All we learned was that it is still a bad bill, and that Obama's team didn't learn even one iota from Brown's election. They say they did, but went immediately behind closed doors to do the same deals that got them where they were before... Then to have a meeting for one day, and still say they were going to work on shoving it unchanged down the throats of the people who don't want it?

I think the people want it.

I dont belive that a bill that has passed both houses of congress and was signed into law by an elected president is being SHOUVED down the people's thorats.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

I was informed that Rep. Ryan offered solutions at yesterday's summit. I asked for examples. I was told that his solution was "start over." I pointed out that "start over" is not a solution, which it isn't.

What solutions did he offer yesterday? I was told he offered some. What are they?

And Rep Ryan wasn't really shut out of the process. The House bill went through the committee that he is ranking member of. Hearings were held where he had every opportunity to present his case. He offered amendments to the bill which were voted on by the committee. That's how the process works.

Like I stated, you are a complete fucking hack.

Damos response to you was

Starting over, like the constituency wants, and creating a bill that addresses costs without balance sheet hocus pocus.

It was not simply 'start over' as you keep stating. You can look up Ryans overall proposals.

As for the Dems not meeting behind closed doors for the bulk of this, you are again just parading around with your party blinders on if you think they gave the Reps ideas much merit. That is why the Reps are not a part of this.

This debacle is of the Dems making. Their supposed move to transparency and open debate was nothing more than a load of crap. They have done neither.

 

[DamnYankee]

Not at all. I was simply responding to your question.

What solutions did he offer yesterday? I watched the video at the 1:27 mark like you suggested and he appeared to be defending the status quo, not offering any solutions.


Edit: And my post directly addresses your question.

Obviously you didn't watch it, because:
1. The time stamp was 1:37, not 1:27; and
2. He did offer several solutions, one of which we are discussing.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Not at all. I was simply responding to your question.

What solutions did he offer yesterday? I watched the video at the 1:27 mark like you suggested and he appeared to be defending the status quo, not offering any solutions.


Edit: And my post directly addresses your question.

You are a complete fucking moron.

At the 1:27 mark he is talking about the Dems bill and how the proclamation by Dems that it will reduce the deficit is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. He then goes on to list the various ways the Dems have essentially lied to the public about 'savings'.

So how do you equate THAT to 'defending the status quo'????????????

 

[Bonestorm]

Obviously you didn't watch it, because:
1. The time stamp was 1:37, not 1:27; and
2. He did offer several solutions, one of which we are discussing.

It was a typo. I watched at the 1:37 mark. He seems to be defending the status quo of state level regulation, keeping the federal government from setting minimum insurance standards. That is what we have today.

Are you saying that Rep. Ryan wants to allow insurers to "sell across state lines?" If so, then what he is proposing is not to allow the states to have a say in what insurance is sold within their borders (which I thought he was saying at the 1:37 mark) but to allow a single state to set national standards.

The Democrats have rejected this for good reason (as I have explained) while allowing for some flexibility for "across state lines" insurance by allowing states to establish compacts where any insurer in any state within the compact can sell to any customer in any state within the compact. That's the compromise. What's the problem with the compromise.