Rental car companies are ruining EV's

T. A. Gardner

T. A. Gardner

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Seems that rental car companies are going big into EV's. The problem with that is their customers are finding out first hand just how pathetically bad EV's are for things like charging. The wait times, finding a charging station, figuring out how to use it when you don't have and account, etc., is leaving customers hating EV's even more.

As Hertz, the biggest EV renter, is finding out customers don't want an EV when they rent in any case.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...ic-vehicle-rental-cars-hertz-chargers/674429/

The government in collusion with big corporations may force these pieces of shit down consumer's throats, but the second they let up EV's are dead...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Seems that rental car companies are going big into EV's. The problem with that is their customers are finding out first hand just how pathetically bad EV's are for things like charging. The wait times, finding a charging station, figuring out how to use it when you don't have and account, etc., is leaving customers hating EV's even more.

As Hertz, the biggest EV renter, is finding out customers don't want an EV when they rent in any case.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...ic-vehicle-rental-cars-hertz-chargers/674429/

The government in collusion with big corporations may force these pieces of shit down consumer's throats, but the second they let up EV's are dead...
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Why are Trumpers always insisting to nationalize businesses?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Seems that rental car companies are going big into EV's. The problem with that is their customers are finding out first hand just how pathetically bad EV's are for things like charging. The wait times, finding a charging station, figuring out how to use it when you don't have and account, etc., is leaving customers hating EV's even more.

As Hertz, the biggest EV renter, is finding out customers don't want an EV when they rent in any case.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...ic-vehicle-rental-cars-hertz-chargers/674429/

The government in collusion with big corporations may force these pieces of shit down consumer's throats, but the second they let up EV's are dead...
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The seemingly sudden lack of interest in EV's has never been explained, but rental bad experiences is likely part of it. I think the expectation of the Save the Planet crowd was that just about everyone who drives an EV will come away loving them, but in reality this is simply not true.
 
The EV launch as been as badly botched as the ObamaCare launch.....I think that we can say that now.

The Save the Planet types likely dont give a fuck.....we are not going to be allowed a choice.....what we think/want is irrelevant.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The seemingly sudden lack of interest in EV's has never been explained, but rental bad experiences is likely part of it. I think the expectation of the Save the Planet crowd was that just about everyone who drives an EV will come away loving them, but in reality this is simply not true.
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I think the envirotards just expected everyone to be a sheep and accept their asininities without question. When they get pushback like this, they don't know how to respond other than with force of government.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I think the envirotards just expected everyone to be a sheep and accept their asininities without question. When they get pushback like this, they don't know how to respond other than with force of government.
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This is not my read on the first part....the second part is right....at the end of the day our opinion is irrelevant....we get told.....we obey.......OR ELSE!
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Seems that rental car companies are going big into EV's. The problem with that is their customers are finding out first hand just how pathetically bad EV's are for things like charging. The wait times, finding a charging station, figuring out how to use it when you don't have and account, etc., is leaving customers hating EV's even more.

As Hertz, the biggest EV renter, is finding out customers don't want an EV when they rent in any case.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...ic-vehicle-rental-cars-hertz-chargers/674429/

The government in collusion with big corporations may force these pieces of shit down consumer's throats, but the second they let up EV's are dead...
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What if in the near future the roads are electrified?
 
Lightbringer said:
Ummm, you might want to do some reading on electrified roads. It's not Star Trek shit.
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Um, you might want to look at reality. Let's say you have a 60 mile stretch of road with just 2 cars per mile in a single lane. Not very heavy traffic. Each car is using 25 KWH traveling that stretch at 60 mph, taking 1 hour.

You need an inductor (coil) of wire capable of holding 3000 KW of power to charge those cars. That's 3 megawatts of power to charge the cars on that small stretch of road. If delivery has to be at a 1 to 1 ratio for voltage, say 90 VDC or about 125 VAC rms, then you need a massive set of conductors (it's about 900 amps per second and probably closer to 1000 amps with line loss) that will easily cost tens of millions in materials and installation costs.

It can be demonstrated on a closed circuit track using a single car, but it will not work using thousands of miles of road with thousands of cars on them.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Um, you might want to look at reality. Let's say you have a 60 mile stretch of road with just 2 cars per mile in a single lane. Not very heavy traffic. Each car is using 25 KWH traveling that stretch at 60 mph, taking 1 hour.

You need an inductor (coil) of wire capable of holding 3000 KW of power to charge those cars. That's 3 megawatts of power to charge the cars on that small stretch of road. If delivery has to be at a 1 to 1 ratio for voltage, say 90 VDC or about 125 VAC rms, then you need a massive set of conductors that will easily cost tens of millions in materials and installation costs.

It can be demonstrated on a closed circuit track using a single car, but it will not work using thousands of miles of road with thousands of cars on them.
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When I was at Ford we ran cars on a 5.3 mile course at the GM Proving Grounds in Milford for 48 hours. It isn't Star Trek shit. That was 25 years ago.
 
Lightbringer said:
When I was at Ford we ran cars on a 5.3 mile course at the GM Proving Grounds in Milford for 48 hours. It isn't Star Trek shit. That was 25 years ago.
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Prove my math wrong. I pointed out a single car on a closed course is possible. It isn't possible on roads with hundreds to thousands of cars on them, multiple lanes, and everything else. My example assumes each car going 60 mph for 1 hour consumes 25 kwh of electricity. That's 3 megawatt hours for 120 cars over a 60 mile stretch of road. That means they are drawing about 1000 amps, including line losses, continuously at 90 VDC, the common EV car drive motor voltage.

Even if you get the amperage down, the load remains constant. There simply isn't enough power on the grid to support continuous charging, not to mention the staggering cost of installing coils under each lane of a highway for tens of thousands of miles.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Prove my math wrong. I pointed out a single car on a closed course is possible. It isn't possible on roads with hundreds to thousands of cars on them, multiple lanes, and everything else. My example assumes each car going 60 mph for 1 hour consumes 25 kwh of electricity. That's 3 megawatt hours for 120 cars over a 60 mile stretch of road. That means they are drawing about 1000 amps, including line losses, continuously at 90 VDC, the common EV car drive motor voltage.

Even if you get the amperage down, the load remains constant. There simply isn't enough power on the grid to support continuous charging, not to mention the staggering cost of installing coils under each lane of a highway for tens of thousands of miles.
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I'm not an electrical engineer. What I told you is we ran cars on that track for 48 hours...25 years ago.
 
Lightbringer said:
I'm not an electrical engineer. What I told you is we ran cars on that track for 48 hours...25 years ago.
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Yes, you did. I stated that is possible and it's been done many times since. What's not practical is taking that to the road net and applying it to vehicles in general. E x I = P is as simple as it gets. If you know the power draw (load) and voltage is fixed, then amperage is easily determined. My example shows the absurdity of trying to power hundreds, let alone thousands, of cars traveling down a road all at once.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Yes, you did. I stated that is possible and it's been done many times since. What's not practical is taking that to the road net and applying it to vehicles in general. E x I = P is as simple as it gets. If you know the power draw (load) and voltage is fixed, then amperage is easily determined. My example shows the absurdity of trying to power hundreds, let alone thousands, of cars traveling down a road all at once.
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Remember a couple of years ago? The DoE announcement about Fusion? They're planning to electrify the roads. Never assume your opposition is stupid.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Seems that rental car companies are going big into EV's. The problem with that is their customers are finding out first hand just how pathetically bad EV's are for things like charging. The wait times, finding a charging station, figuring out how to use it when you don't have and account, etc., is leaving customers hating EV's even more.

As Hertz, the biggest EV renter, is finding out customers don't want an EV when they rent in any case.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...ic-vehicle-rental-cars-hertz-chargers/674429/

The government in collusion with big corporations may force these pieces of shit down consumer's throats, but the second they let up EV's are dead...
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Most people rent cars to travel in. EV are town cars.
 
Lightbringer said:
Remember a couple of years ago? The DoE announcement about Fusion? They're planning to electrify the roads. Never assume your opposition is stupid.
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Fusion is decades away from being a workable system, at a minimum. Electrifying roads is a non-starter. There isn't anything close to the money to even do it on a small scale. Sure, there's people who are championing it, but like solar and wind, it will be a total fail. There are somethings that just don't work, and electrified roads is one of them.
 
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