Regarding 1/6: questions abound

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

It would be interesting to see polling data on what ‘the world’ thinks about the election, itself.

Trump can be indicted like a ham sandwich. Getting one to stick, is another matter. If you think Trump can be convicted over anything involving 1/6 I don’t know what to say about it.

He is guilty of inciting a riot.

I don't think he was guilty of planning an insurrection, but we would have to have a bipartisan commission investigation to answer that.

 

[LV426]

I live 1500 miles from DC

So what? There were people in DC that day from Alaska, Oregon, Washington, and California.

So where the fuck were you?

 

[Into the Night]

what lie? that dems cheated last november? thats not a lie, its a proven fact.

If you consider the numerous security cam footage, the probability anomalies, the illegal counting of votes with no oversight, the illegal changes to laws, the overriding of lawful authority to choose electors, the destruction of incriminating evidence, the numerous affidavits made by both Democrat and Republican election workers as 'a proven fact', then you are correct.

Of course, there are no proofs in open functional systems. They only exist in closed functional systems like mathematics or logic.
A fact is only a fact if everyone agrees to it. Obviously, Democrats don't. Therefore, the 'fact' becomes an argument.

But you are quite right. The evidence is enormous, very convincing, and won't go away no matter how much these fucks wish it to go away.

 

[LV426]

even if I lived there I would not have gone into the capital.

Weird because you had been accusing Biden of the greatest theft in American history.

Strange that assault on our country wouldn't spur you into any action.

I guess you just want other people to do the work you're too scared to do yourself.

 

[LV426]

When the truth eventually comes out it will show that the "insurrection" was planned and implemented by the dems using antifa and BLM as their agents.

No, it was all you and Trump, riling up soft heads for three months with your bullshit election lies.

Lies that were such bullshit, you don't even have the courage to stand behind them yourself.

That's why you lie on JPP...the anonymity gives you permission to be the worst possible version of yourself.

When the call came to save our country, you hung up.

Some "patriot" you are...

 

[LV426]

If you consider the numerous security cam footage, the probability anomalies, the illegal counting of votes with no oversight, the illegal changes to laws, the overriding of lawful authority to choose electors, the destruction of incriminating evidence, the numerous affidavits made by both Democrat and Republican election workers as 'a proven fact', then you are correct.

Of course, there are no proofs in open functional systems. They only exist in closed functional systems like mathematics or logic.
A fact is only a fact if everyone agrees to it. Obviously, Democrats don't. Therefore, the 'fact' becomes an argument.

But you are quite right. The evidence is enormous, very convincing, and won't go away no matter how much these fucks wish it to go away.

Here's another one who has no compunction spreading lies on the internet, but has absolutely no courage to stand behind what he's saying.

That's why on 1/6, you were here on JPP talking shit instead of in DC.

 

[Into the Night]

Hello Darth,



Disrupting the official business of Congress is not exactly patriotic.

The official business of Congress does not include choosing electors for any State.

You get your say as an American. You can contact your representative. You can peacefully demonstrate outside if you want.

All true.

You cannot break and enter,

They were let in.

nor threaten the safety of Congress.

If Congress is an oligarchy and ignoring the Constitution, YES YOU CAN.

That is the act of an insurrectionist.

The federal government has been overthrown. There is no United States anymore. The States of America are even now deciding their futures, including attempting to reform a republic. The Democrats faulted the election. They do not recognize the Constitution of the United States nor any State constitution. Their thugs burn, loot, and pillage cities night after night.

They have committed treason. THAT is insurrection.

 

[PoliTalker]

IF people around the world agree with you that the presidency was stolen, they don’t seem to mind. Polling in fourteen foreign countries found the following changes in US approval rating, Jan 20 – April 25:

Australia +10%

Brazil +5%

Canada +14%

China -4%

France +17%

Germany +22%

India +2%

Italy +12%

Japan +19%

Mexico +8%

Russia +3%

S. Korea no change

Spain +11%

UK +14%

If you look at the graphs, however, the effect of Jan 6 is clear.

https://morningconsult.com/2021/04/27/biden-100-days-global-views-america/

Wow. Nearly every country experienced a distinct drop in favorable views of the USA following Jan 6th.

 

[Concart]

Here's another one who has no compunction spreading lies on the internet, but has absolutely no courage to stand behind what he's saying.

That's why on 1/6, you were here on JPP talking shit instead of in DC.

LOL, 'a fact is only a fact if everyone agrees on it. '

Right out of Orwell. And of course galactically stupid. Something is a fact whether people believe it or not. Those two are completely unrelated. We have objective processes to determine who won an election. Joe Biden won the election. That is indisputable. Every state certified their election, selected electors, handled all legal disputes in through the courts, and the outcome of these processes was that Joe Biden won the election. Those are facts. Here is the proof:

whitehouse.gov

What there is disagreement on is not any fact, but opinion and speculation.

ITN/GFM is a moron.

 

[Tranquillus in Exile]

Polls are completely meaningless.

Yeah! The world is convinced that Trump won the election, because ... well, he says so, and he never tells a lie. And it was Antifa that broke into Congress, or the cops invited them in, or something. And War is Peace. Am I on message now?

P.S. This could all be sorted out with a bipartisan inquiry. But that would never do, would it?

 

[Darth Omar]

Hello Darth,



He is guilty of inciting a riot.

I don't think he was guilty of planning an insurrection, but we would have to have a bipartisan commission investigation to answer that.

Let’s wait for an indictment that mentions insurrection or sedition and then we’ll have that discussion.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

Let’s wait for an indictment that mentions insurrection or sedition and then we’ll have that discussion.

Too late. We're already having it.

It appears that most of the participants of the 1/6 national embarrassment had nothing more in mind than to try to somehow persuade Congress to do something other than what it was legally obligated to do on 1-6.

But it also appears that some people had completely different plans. Radical violent plans. They came in tactical gear like they thought they were in some kind of movie or something. Like they thought suddenly nothing else matters, such as laws, and they had this cause, mistaken as it was, and they were going to 'save America.' They had planning, they had weapons, some of them had radio communications, and they planned to stop at nothing to shut down what Congress was doing even if it meant violence.

They went up against a police line and fought with the police defending the Capitol. They intended to shut down the function of the United States Government, and force the government to do what they wanted instead.

Now, I'm sorry, but no, that is not allowed. Our government must be allowed to conduct official proceedings. If lawless people try to disrupt that with violence that is trying to take over government and force it to do something it is not supposed to do.

Trying to take over government is insurrection.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

That’s a lie, actually. And I’m not getting sucked into a ‘debate’ about it again. Go troll someone else.

In the meantime cling away.

Are you denying you asked to close the “61” thread?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Let’s wait for an indictment that mentions insurrection or sedition and then we’ll have that discussion.

When do you expect the trials to begin? What percentage will be plea deals with idiots rolling on their friends?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

good Christians call it like they see it. nothing I have said is inaccurate.

Yeah, because in your view good 'christians' should ignore the teachings of Jesus and rely on their own hatred.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Here's another one who has no compunction spreading lies on the internet, but has absolutely no courage to stand behind what he's saying.

That's why on 1/6, you were here on JPP talking shit instead of in DC.

A casual review of INT/IBDa/gfm’s website (hint: it’s their signatures) could lead some people to think he’s slipping a few gears in the single-personality department.

If true, then one explanation of why he/they didn’t go to 1/6 was because they didn’t have a key to the exit of their abode.

 

[Darth Omar]

Hello Darth,



Too late. We're already having it.

It appears that most of the participants of the 1/6 national embarrassment had nothing more in mind than to try to somehow persuade Congress to do something other than what it was legally obligated to do on 1-6.

But it also appears that some people had completely different plans. Radical violent plans. They came in tactical gear like they thought they were in some kind of movie or something. Like they thought suddenly nothing else matters, such as laws, and they had this cause, mistaken as it was, and they were going to 'save America.' They had planning, they had weapons, some of them had radio communications, and they planned to stop at nothing to shut down what Congress was doing even if it meant violence.

They went up against a police line and fought with the police defending the Capitol. They intended to shut down the function of the United States Government, and force the government to do what they wanted instead.

Now, I'm sorry, but no, that is not allowed. Our government must be allowed to conduct official proceedings. If lawless people try to disrupt that with violence that is trying to take over government and force it to do something it is not supposed to do.

Trying to take over government is insurrection.

Have all the discussions you want lol.

It’s not an insurrection until we see indictments related to it.

 

[Into the Night]

Wow. Nearly every country experienced a distinct drop in favorable views of the USA following Jan 6th.

Polls are completely meaningless. Random numbers are not data.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Polls are completely meaningless. Random numbers are not data.

That might be overstating it a wee bit.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

IF people around the world agree with you that the presidency was stolen, they don’t seem to mind. Polling in fourteen foreign countries found the following changes in US approval rating, Jan 20 – April 25:

Australia +10%

Brazil +5%

Canada +14%

China -4%

France +17%

Germany +22%

India +2%

Italy +12%

Japan +19%

Mexico +8%

Russia +3%

S. Korea no change

Spain +11%

UK +14%

If you look at the graphs, however, the effect of Jan 6 is clear.

https://morningconsult.com/2021/04/27/biden-100-days-global-views-america/

Thanks for the link.

Interesting survey results too. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/morning-consult/

What happened in the 10-14 days prior to 1/6? Several of the Euro nations (except fucking France) plus Australia and Canada saw a rising disapproval rating beginning about 12/23 through 1/6 to 1/20.