Regarding 1/6: questions abound

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

They ARE being questioned and held in solitary confinement.

A commission to rehash the same lines of questions would be redundant. Furthermore, there’s no telling what sort of mischief that will arise out of it in terms of increasing the surveillance state. What happened to liberals? They used to rebel at that sort of thing.

If there’s a there-there with Trump planning a coup from the Oval Office—or whatever the Fever Swamp notion is, it will be uncovered.

There needs to be a separate investigation into how this was allowed to happen in the first place. And ‘allowed’ is the key concept. If the feds can lock down DC like it’s fricking Kabul, surely, they could have prevented a rag tag mob from rioting *inside* the Capitol.

Why didn’t they? They had the intelligence. Why didn’t they act on it?

Some people were prevented from attending 1-6, but it would not be possible to stop everyone who wanted to to to the President's rally, and then go from there over to the capitol after they were amped up by Trump's fighting rhetoric. Trump would have been furious.

Wasn't there a request for more police on 1-6, but it was denied?

Didn't leadership send radio messages to the police forces telling them not to go after Trump supporters, that they were there to go after anyone who was protesting against Trump?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello no worries,

I know, I've read and seen the comments, Rep. Andrew Clyde (R-Ga.) "if you didn't know the TV footage was a video from January the 6th, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit."

They only get more moronic from there.

He is being extremely foolish.

Clyde should have more accurately said: "if you didn't know the [cherry-picked] TV footage was a video from January the 6th, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit."

If he looked that the video of the violent fighting along the police lines, and the smashing of windows, it tells a different story, the one he chooses to block out.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello martin,

Final question: Then why did Republicans in the Senate quash an investigation?

They don't want to know the truth.

THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello martin,

I imagine the Proud Boys think it was odd.

What of it? The rally and planned march wasn't a secret. That it got so out of hand probably took everyone by surprise, the FBI included. There was no precedent for such violence at that place of all places.

Not since the War of 1812.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

At risk of enhancing the lunacy, the frame of reference of these folks are those who up until exactly this point are most contemptuous of the fourth amendment, the rights of accused and due process generally.
Now the shoe is on the other foot, how easily they believe law enforcement overreacted, were heavy handed etc.

If instead of Trump and his fascist wannabee Republicans brigades it was Abbie Hoffman and some dirty hippie protestors against the Viet Nam war, they'd want the DC cops
to freely open fire into the god damned crowds.

Thousands of doctorate and masters theses will be written on the Qless phenomenon.

IMO, it's a combination of the times and the tech, specifically the Internet. Before the Internet these idiots had to actually meet in person at the "Lone Gunman's Club" or "The Grey Alien Overlords Club".

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello martin,

Not since the War of 1812.

In 1812, the fucking Redcoats burned down the WH. Maybe the Qless should have repeated that event. LOL

BTW, there's this bit of history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

The Bonus Army was a group of 43,000 demonstrators – made up of 17,000 U.S. World War I veterans, together with their families and affiliated groups – who gathered in Washington, D.C. in mid-1932 to demand early cash redemption of their service certificates. Organizers called the demonstrators the "Bonus Expeditionary Force", to echo the name of World War I's American Expeditionary Forces, while the media referred to them as the "Bonus Army" or "Bonus Marchers". The demonstrators were led by Walter W. Waters, a former sergeant.

Many of the war veterans had been out of work since the beginning of the Great Depression. The World War Adjusted Compensation Act of 1924 had awarded them bonuses in the form of certificates they could not redeem until 1945. Each certificate, issued to a qualified veteran soldier, bore a face value equal to the soldier's promised payment with compound interest. The principal demand of the Bonus Army was the immediate cash payment of their certificates.

On July 28, 1932, U.S. Attorney General William D. Mitchell ordered the veterans removed from all government property. Washington police met with resistance, shot at the protestors, and two veterans were wounded and later died. President Herbert Hoover then ordered the U.S. Army to clear the marchers' campsite. Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur commanded a contingent of infantry and cavalry, supported by six tanks. The Bonus Army marchers with their wives and children were driven out, and their shelters and belongings burned.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

Bullshit, they had to know what was coming.

Bullshit. What president ever orchestrated a physical attack on the US Capitol? It was unheard of before Trump.

This whole BS about the [first antifa, then] the FBI is nothing but damage control by the right. Trying to tell themselves something monumental in history has not just occurred. Trying to whitewash it.

It was a day of infamy. Your side will never EVER live it down. The fallout is still raining.

Invent all the stories you like, this FBI nonsense is BS and it will not stick any better than the antifa nonsense did.

Day Of Infamy.

A turning point.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Especially if your house was the White House. A person with a backpack scaling the wall and running across the South Lawn would be dead in ten seconds.

...and Trump would have clapped like his friend Kim at seeing it.

...and all the Trumpsters would have supporting the shooting of an unarmed citizen who broached security.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I imagine the Proud Boys think it was odd.

What of it? The rally and planned march wasn't a secret. That it got so out of hand probably took everyone by surprise, the FBI included. There was no precedent for such violence at that place of all places.

Bullshit, they had to know what was coming.

Hello Darth,

Bullshit. What president ever orchestrated a physical attack on the US Capitol? It was unheard of before Trump.

This whole BS about the [first antifa, then] the FBI is nothing but damage control by the right. Trying to tell themselves something monumental in history has not just occurred. Trying to whitewash it.

It was a day of infamy. Your side will never EVER live it down. The fallout is still raining.

Invent all the stories you like, this FBI nonsense is BS and it will not stick any better than the antifa nonsense did.

Day Of Infamy.

A turning point.

Agreed on bullshit. Let's not forget who laughed at "only" 61 COVID deaths, preached HCQ and declared masks don't work.

My best advice is to consider who is intellectually average or better and who is an intellectual midget following Trump.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

Omg, make up your mind lol.

One day the militias are paper tigers and the next day they’re blood thirsty felons.

The problem is they are a leaderless mob.

Unruly, lacking order.

They want to think they are some kind of powerful military force for good.

The problem is they are a mob.

They have no institutional grounding. They have no official decree from a nation to do what they do. They are not paid. They are not committed to responsibility. They have no official oath. They are just playing and pretending. If they want to serve the USA they need to sign up for one of the military branches and be willing to take orders they may not like. The way it is, they only do what they want to do. A military cannot act like that. It makes them an unruly mob. There is no sanction, no commitment to serve.

Proud boys et al = unsanctioned mobs.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

Republicans, because they showed some spine.

It’s being investigated by professional investigators. Congress will make a dog and pony show out of it to deflect from Biden’s incompetence. Worse yet, democrats are scheming to conjure a domestic version of the Patriot Act aimed at *what they call* domestic terrorists.

Thanks, but no thanks. Let the professionals do their work and let Congress do something constructive, for a change.

Who are the professional investigators?

The FBI?

Kinda puts a few holes in your latest story.

 

[Concart]

...and Trump would have clapped like his friend Kim at seeing it.

...and all the Trumpsters would have supporting the shooting of an unarmed citizen who broached security.

I would have too. And if that had been 100 people like it was at the capitol.... they've have all been dead too. This was treason. Period.

 

[Concart]

Hello Darth,



The problem is they are a leaderless mob.

Unruly, lacking order.

They want to think they are some kind of powerful military force for good.

The problem is they are a mob.

They have no institutional grounding. They have no official decree from a nation to do what they do. They are not paid. They are not committed to responsibility. They have no official oath. They are just playing and pretending. If they want to serve the USA they need to sign up for one of the military branches and be willing to take orders they may not like. The way it is, they only do what they want to do. A military cannot act like that. It makes them an unruly mob. There is no sanction, no commitment to serve.

Proud boys et al = unsanctioned mobs.

Darth can be added to the list of traitors who are posting at JPP. They all need to be watched closely.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

The cop who shot the traitor bitch is a hero.

He did his duty. Babbitt was nuts and should have had mental health care but there was nothing her parents and brother could do to help her. Same for several other of the Qless arrested. Over 2/3s have pre-existing mental issues.

A Congressional investigation would reveal what was in her backpack. $20 says it wasn't lunch or a fruit basket for Pence.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Darth can be added to the list of traitors who are posting at JPP. They all need to be watched closely.

Can an insane person be a "traitor"? Is the best solution prison or a mental institution?

Consider that most of the violence in America is perpetrated and/or supported by mentally ill people. Does anyone agree with me that Darth, Son, the TD twins, Grok and others are mentally ill?

I disagree with many people on this forum, but most I consider sane regardless of their political persuasions. The clue, IMHO, is how extreme a person is because sane people aren't extreme.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Dutch Uncle,

Agreed on bullshit. Let's not forget who laughed at "only" 61 COVID deaths, preached HCQ and declared masks don't work.

My best advice is to consider who is intellectually average or better and who is an intellectual midget following Trump.

The mind is an intricate mystery.

I firmly believe that very good people have been taken in by the Trump allure.

Being a die hard Trump fan does not automatically make someone a bad person. I see them as simply very mixed up, using incorrect assumptions as a basis of fact leads them to the extraordinary position they find themselves in.

And their leader has serious issues, so he is simply getting away with whatever his followers let him.

Leader and followers reinforce one another to keep going further into absurdity.

 

[Yakuda]

How is it remotely credible that the FBI did not have informants in these three groups that they have been identifying as major threats for years, especially given the reporting that the leader of the Proud Boys — conveniently arrested the day before January 6 — was an FBI informant in the past, along with the confirmed reporting that the FBI had multiple informants in the Michigan Three Percenters case?

Why are low-level protesters being charged with major crimes while the alleged organizers of this riot and the leaders of these groups have not been?

Why are enormous amounts of video surveillance footage from January 6 still being concealed?

What happened to the alleged planting of pipe bombs near the Capitol?

Why did the FBI not take more aggressive action given the once-denied but now-confirmed fact that the social media platform Parler sent the FBI advanced warnings of specific plots to use violence at the Capitol?

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/questions-about-the-fbis-role-in
________

Consider Greenwald a must-read if you want to get past the corporate media spin and ‘news’.

Great piece and worth a read in full.

How is it possible for security to be so lax on 1/6 when the feds *had to be aware* of what was about to go down?

And what is that stench, besides corruption?

Because it's all bullshit

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I would have too. And if that had been 100 people like it was at the capitol.... they've have all been dead too. This was treason. Period.

For the people who planned it and executed the plan, yes, it was treason. For thousands of the Qless, it was insanity coming to the surface.

One of the Qless theories bouncing around right now was that it was all a nefarious trap: the Qless were entrapped by the FBI and other Alphabets to break the law so they could be arrested.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Hello Dutch Uncle,

The mind is an intricate mystery.

I firmly believe that very good people have been taken in by the Trump allure.

Being a die hard Trump fan does not automatically make someone a bad person. I see them as simply very mixed up, using incorrect assumptions as a basis of fact leads them to the extraordinary position they find themselves in.

And their leader has serious issues, so he is simply getting away with whatever his followers let him.

Leader and followers reinforce one another to keep going further into absurdity.

Is there any evidence that a sane, normal person can be "turned" to become a political loon?

Or is it more likely a person who is developing mental health issues would latch onto something like the Tea Party, Q and the Party of Trump where those mental health issues would grow and fester until they become dangerous to the individual?

I believe the latter. This is a point where annual mental health checkups, like physical ones, should be covered by medical coverage.


Consider Ashli Babbitt's journey into madness. She wasn't just a normal veteran who decided to attend a political rally and was caught up in the moment. She'd been going nuts for years and her family knew it:

https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2021/01/11/ashli-babbitts-journey-from-capital-guardian-to-invader/
The politician she revered above all others had lost an election. She’d struggled with crippling amounts of debt. Her home state of California was locking down again because of a virus she believed was fiction.

As she walked east along the National Mall on Wednesday, wearing a backpack emblazoned with the American flag, Ashli Babbitt was elated....


....Babbitt’s journey - illuminated through her extensive social media activity, court and military records, and interviews with some who knew her - was one of paranoid devotion and enthusiasm that only increased as Trump’s fortunes waned.

She avidly followed the QAnon conspiracy theory, convinced that Trump was destined to vanquish a cabal of child abusers and Satan-worshiping Democrats. She believed Wednesday would be “the storm,” when QAnon mythology holds that Trump would capture and execute his opponents.

Long before she embraced those ideas, Babbitt was on a rocky path. She was loyal but rebellious, devoted to her country but often unable to get along with those who shared it. A believer in American pluck and free enterprise, she struggled in her attempts to run a small pool-service company outside San Diego...



There are hundreds, if not thousands, of similar stories among the militias and the Qless. Note that Babbitt wasn't militia.

 

[Concart]

Is there any evidence that a sane, normal person can be "turned" to become a political loon?

Or is it more likely a person who is developing mental health issues would latch onto something like the Tea Party, Q and the Party of Trump where those mental health issues would grow and fester until they become dangerous to the individual?

I believe the latter. This is a point where annual mental health checkups, like physical ones, should be covered by medical coverage.


Consider Ashli Babbitt's journey into madness. She wasn't just a normal veteran who decided to attend a political rally and was caught up in the moment. She'd been going nuts for years and her family knew it:

https://www.adn.com/nation-world/2021/01/11/ashli-babbitts-journey-from-capital-guardian-to-invader/
The politician she revered above all others had lost an election. She’d struggled with crippling amounts of debt. Her home state of California was locking down again because of a virus she believed was fiction.

As she walked east along the National Mall on Wednesday, wearing a backpack emblazoned with the American flag, Ashli Babbitt was elated....


....Babbitt’s journey - illuminated through her extensive social media activity, court and military records, and interviews with some who knew her - was one of paranoid devotion and enthusiasm that only increased as Trump’s fortunes waned.

She avidly followed the QAnon conspiracy theory, convinced that Trump was destined to vanquish a cabal of child abusers and Satan-worshiping Democrats. She believed Wednesday would be “the storm,” when QAnon mythology holds that Trump would capture and execute his opponents.

Long before she embraced those ideas, Babbitt was on a rocky path. She was loyal but rebellious, devoted to her country but often unable to get along with those who shared it. A believer in American pluck and free enterprise, she struggled in her attempts to run a small pool-service company outside San Diego...

The Breaking Bad syndrome. It was always there, it just needed a trigger. People who feel helpless are easily swayed by a charlatan like Trump. It's a mental defect. The most alarming discovery from the Trump era is how many truly awful people were friends of mine. They aren't any longer, and it wasn't me that made that decision.