recycling

Don Quixote

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i think that all containers sold to the public and most if not all sold to businesses need to be easily recyclable, i.e., made from the same materials like glass, metal and maybe plastic

i wonder if i will get rocks thrown by both the left and right on this one
 
Almost all of them at any major chain are.

McDonald's even uses recycled paper to make the boxes for their Big Macs, etc.

so do cj's and junk in the box, but some small stores and markets still use styrofoam...i think the chains got the message a while ago
 
True but around here many recycle fast food trash out the car window.

did anyone else read a while back that there is now more plastic in the ocean than plankton?
 
I found an article some time ago that addressed the cost per pound of recycled plastic bags. It was astoundingly high. I've used canvas bags for groceries, etc., for a couple of decades, but have been much more conscientious in the past year. I'm pleased also to see that many more establishments than groceries (e.g. Lowe's home improvement) are now offering canvas-type reusable bags.

I also carry water around with me, but use a really cool ss container that I bought from LLBean, made by Stanley. It keeps my water cool all day and can be disassembled for cleaning.

I try to reuse plastic bags as liners for paint trays and other things. I'd really like to see less manufacture of disposable containers and more reuse, like they used to do with the old glass soft drink bottles. That would eliminate a lot of waste, along with the costs, both economic and energy, used in remanufacturing containers. For other things where that isn't really feasible, e.g. paper, aluminum cans, etc., then recycling is a preferred option.
 
i think that all containers sold to the public and most if not all sold to businesses need to be easily recyclable, i.e., made from the same materials like glass, metal and maybe plastic

i wonder if i will get rocks thrown by both the left and right on this one
They pretty much all ready are.
 
i think that all containers sold to the public and most if not all sold to businesses need to be easily recyclable, i.e., made from the same materials like glass, metal and maybe plastic

i wonder if i will get rocks thrown by both the left and right on this one
It's not as simple as just wanting to recycle. First, there has to be a profit incentive or theirs no sense in recycling.

Most consumer packagings are recyclable. They predominantly consist of glass, stone/earthen ware ceramics, paper, aluminum, iron/steel, plastic and wood. All of these materials are intrinsically recyclable.

The first step in any type or recycling is that you collect and sort the materials. The sorted materials them ussually need to be beneficiated (further refined) in order to be used as a raw material for a finished product or actually manufactured into a finished product. All along the way these materials need to meet specific production quality standards or they are of no value. When they can be beneficiated or manufactured to meet these standards they have value as a commodity.

Ultimately what drives any succesfull recycling effort is the ability to use these materials to manufacture a marketable product of acceptable quality and sell them for a profit and to point out the obvious, that aint all that easy.

For example, lets talk about glass. First there are waste glasses like, plate glass, windshield glass, architectural soda-lime glass, that has little or no contamination, is easy to process, of known quality and is relatively easy to market and sell as a raw material. On the low end side you have multicolored mixes of crushed container glass (aka 3-mix, it's mostly crushed soft drink bottles and such) which is virtually unusable as a raw material because ceramic contaminants make it unusable in almost all glass applications. Now that's in glass applications.

If you think outside the box you can see other products and applications that an unwanted material (by the glass industry), such as 3 mix glass. For example, you can grind 3 mix to a very fine powder. Container glass, when ground to a fine powder become hydrophillic. That means it was litteraly draw water from the air and form a glass cement. So one application for waste 3-mix is to grind it up very fine, mix it with water, cure it and make architectural monoliths that could be used for say, dam building, flood control levees, tide barriers, artificial reefs, etc but again, the trick here is "can you do that and turn a profit?". What's critical is that recycled materials are just commodities in the market and the market does not care if the materials are recycled or not nor should it.

That's also a problem cause lots of recycled products are of lower quality then products made from the virgin raw material. Paper is the best example of that. Paper made completely from recycled pulp is of such a low quality that it's almost worthless. A certain amount of virgin fiber must be mixed with the recycled fibers to make a quality product, which adds cost to recycling which brings us back again to the making a profit thing.

That's the important thing about recycling to remember. You can't just do it for altruistic reasons. It has to make sense from a market and manufacturing stand point.
 
I found an article some time ago that addressed the cost per pound of recycled plastic bags. It was astoundingly high. I've used canvas bags for groceries, etc., for a couple of decades, but have been much more conscientious in the past year. I'm pleased also to see that many more establishments than groceries (e.g. Lowe's home improvement) are now offering canvas-type reusable bags.

I also carry water around with me, but use a really cool ss container that I bought from LLBean, made by Stanley. It keeps my water cool all day and can be disassembled for cleaning.

I try to reuse plastic bags as liners for paint trays and other things. I'd really like to see less manufacture of disposable containers and more reuse, like they used to do with the old glass soft drink bottles. That would eliminate a lot of waste, along with the costs, both economic and energy, used in remanufacturing containers. For other things where that isn't really feasible, e.g. paper, aluminum cans, etc., then recycling is a preferred option.

I don't know if that's a good example. Recyclable aluminum cans and plastic bottles use way less raw materials and energy than glass bottles do even when there reusable/recyclable. Glass making is very energy intensive.
 
It's not as simple as just wanting to recycle. First, there has to be a profit incentive or theirs no sense in recycling.

Most consumer packagings are recyclable. They predominantly consist of glass, stone/earthen ware ceramics, paper, aluminum, iron/steel, plastic and wood. All of these materials are intrinsically recyclable.

The first step in any type or recycling is that you collect and sort the materials. The sorted materials them ussually need to be beneficiated (further refined) in order to be used as a raw material for a finished product or actually manufactured into a finished product. All along the way these materials need to meet specific production quality standards or they are of no value. When they can be beneficiated or manufactured to meet these standards they have value as a commodity.

Ultimately what drives any succesfull recycling effort is the ability to use these materials to manufacture a marketable product of acceptable quality and sell them for a profit and to point out the obvious, that aint all that easy.

For example, lets talk about glass. First there are waste glasses like, plate glass, windshield glass, architectural soda-lime glass, that has little or no contamination, is easy to process, of known quality and is relatively easy to market and sell as a raw material. On the low end side you have multicolored mixes of crushed container glass (aka 3-mix, it's mostly crushed soft drink bottles and such) which is virtually unusable as a raw material because ceramic contaminants make it unusable in almost all glass applications. Now that's in glass applications.

If you think outside the box you can see other products and applications that an unwanted material (by the glass industry), such as 3 mix glass. For example, you can grind 3 mix to a very fine powder. Container glass, when ground to a fine powder become hydrophillic. That means it was litteraly draw water from the air and form a glass cement. So one application for waste 3-mix is to grind it up very fine, mix it with water, cure it and make architectural monoliths that could be used for say, dam building, flood control levees, tide barriers, artificial reefs, etc but again, the trick here is "can you do that and turn a profit?". What's critical is that recycled materials are just commodities in the market and the market does not care if the materials are recycled or not nor should it.

That's also a problem cause lots of recycled products are of lower quality then products made from the virgin raw material. Paper is the best example of that. Paper made completely from recycled pulp is of such a low quality that it's almost worthless. A certain amount of virgin fiber must be mixed with the recycled fibers to make a quality product, which adds cost to recycling which brings us back again to the making a profit thing.

That's the important thing about recycling to remember. You can't just do it for altruistic reasons. It has to make sense from a market and manufacturing stand point.

i was unclear as to what i meant, what would be best is to restrict containers to just a few types of material that could be easily recycled rather that the proliferation of plastics, glass, metal and other materials

an example what we should not use would be individual juice containers

anyone remember soft drink bottles that had a deposit and you could get a refund...made of glass, but they could be refilled
 
"anyone remember soft drink bottles that had a deposit and you could get a refund...made of glass, but they could be refilled"

Yep and glass refillable gallon milk bottles as well. And recycling corn cobs and sear catalogs as toilet paper.
 
DQ, you really need to watch the Penn & Teller Bullsh*t show on recycling. It will open your eyes.
 
does anyone have any clue how much energy it takes to "recycle".....

it is lib scam...nearly everything that we are told to recycle actually uses MORE resources to "recycle" the material....
 
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNJ__Pw_jaY"]YouTube - Penn & Teller: Bullshit! Recycling Part I[/ame]
 
does anyone have any clue how much energy it takes to "recycle".....

it is lib scam...nearly everything that we are told to recycle actually uses MORE resources to "recycle" the material....


Not to recycle aluminum. I think it takes about 1/4 the energy to recycle as make new.

Not sure how much energy it would take to recycle Republicans though.
 
Not to recycle aluminum. I think it takes about 1/4 the energy to recycle as make new.

Not sure how much energy it would take to recycle Republicans though.

i'm sure recycling democrats takes much less power....afterall....recycling bullshit is fairly cheap.....
 
i'm sure recycling democrats takes much less power....afterall....recycling bullshit is fairly cheap.....

Not once you figure in that carbon footprint.

Recycling also takes into account the savings of not putting something into landfills and such. Like Republicans once the bus ran over them.
 
Not once you figure in that carbon footprint.

Recycling also takes into account the savings of not putting something into landfills and such. Like Republicans once the bus ran over them.

so dems have a big bullshit carbon footprint....gee, the dumb repubs will just put that shit right back in the field.....while you dems struggle to have a coal burning plant refine the shit before it can be put back in the field
 
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