Recount Update....

Then I guess U.S. intelligence drank the kool-aid.

The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.

Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company. However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government. The USIC and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) assess that it would be extremely difficult for someone, including a nation-state actor, to alter actual ballot counts or election results by cyber attack or intrusion. This assessment is based on the decentralized nature of our election system in this country and the number of protections state and local election officials have in place. States ensure that voting machines are not connected to the Internet, and there are numerous checks and balances as well as extensive oversight at multiple levels built into our election process.

Nevertheless, DHS continues to urge state and local election officials to be vigilant and seek cybersecurity assistance from DHS. A number of states have already done so. DHS is providing several services to state and local election officials to assist in their cybersecurity. These services include cyber “hygiene” scans of Internet-facing systems, risk and vulnerability assessments, information sharing about cyber incidents, and best practices for securing voter registration databases and addressing potential cyber threats.

DHS has convened an Election Infrastructure Cybersecurity Working Group with experts across all levels of government to raise awareness of cybersecurity risks potentially affecting election infrastructure and the elections process. Secretary Johnson and DHS officials are working directly with the National Association of Secretaries of State to offer assistance, share information, and provide additional resources to state and local officials.
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https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsr...23-joint-dhs-odni-election-security-statement

"The USIC and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) assess that it would be extremely difficult for someone, including a nation-state actor, to alter actual ballot counts or election results by cyber attack or intrusion. This assessment is based on the decentralized nature of our election system in this country and the number of protections state and local election officials have in place. States ensure that voting machines are not connected to the Internet, and there are numerous checks and balances as well as extensive oversight at multiple levels built into our election process."[from link]
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Sort of like I been saying.
 
None of the recounts were expected to affect the outcome of the election. Stein, who received about 1 percent of the vote in all three states, said she requested them to verify the accuracy of the vote. She has suggested, without evidence, that the votes were susceptible to hacking.

I stopped it there for two reasons.

First, you didn't write it and you didn't cite your source or give credit where credit is due, so we don't need to recount all of your plagiarism.

Second, you're quoting this as if it's criticism that someone suggested, without evidence, that votes were susceptible to hacking (or voter fraud, or malfunctioning machines, or whatever flavor of the moment it may be).

And that, more than anything else, is the rub.

You've been a staunch Trump supporter on these forums, repeating, parroting, quoting without citation and tub-thumping Trump.

But he did (and still does) exactly the same thing, and more. Not only does he continue to "suggest" things without any evidence, he outright states as fact things that are complete lies.

And I've never once seen you specifically criticize him for it. You make excuses for it, you compound the lies by repeating them, you pretend they weren't lies when there's actual video of what's being denied, but you don't criticize him for it.

That, more than anything else, is what's so frankly frightening about Trump supporters (and yes, many Clinton supporters as well). They are willing to blind themselves to even the most outrageous lies that Trump utters. They actually stand up and defend him, support him, and cheer him when he's lying out the left side of his mouth while at.the.same.time denying lying what he's lying about out the right side of his mouth.

It simply must be an insanity, and the other fearful part of it is that just what kind of insanity would lead someone to want to defend a known, proven liar like Donald J. Trump? And the really grotesque part about that is how no Trump supporter would ever recognize it as insanity.

How can this country ever be anything but the Divided States of America ever again when people are so willing to become part of the great lie that is everything Donald J. Trump represents?

Why is it, Nova, that you and others like you can't actually see what's happening, here?
 
none of it matters.......Trump will have the new federal photo ID program in place by the midterms......Democrats will never vote for a dead registered voter again......
 
What's the percentage of voter fraud in MI compared to in PA where we don't have photo ID?

Cfan, it was just passed a couple of days ago....

the state House of Representatives passed a tough voter-ID bill that includes $3 million for funding of free state identification and birth certificates after over 18,000 voters cast ballots without identification in the presidential election
 
Cfan, it was just passed a couple of days ago....

the state House of Representatives passed a tough voter-ID bill that includes $3 million for funding of free state identification and birth certificates after over 18,000 voters cast ballots without identification in the presidential election
reasonable..As long as they don't curtail early voting.
That seems to be the reason the courts have been throwing out voter ID laws -not the ID itself
 
reasonable..As long as they don't curtail early voting.
That seems to be the reason the courts have been throwing out voter ID laws -not the ID itself

The courts have thrown out voter ID because it would be an imposition on some to prove they are citizens....even though only citizens can legally vote....

hows that for convoluted logic....
 
Cfan, it was just passed a couple of days ago....

the state House of Representatives passed a tough voter-ID bill that includes $3 million for funding of free state identification and birth certificates after over 18,000 voters cast ballots without identification in the presidential election

If you're talking about MI, then what was the percentage of voter fraud that made them pass the bill?
 
The courts have thrown out voter ID because it would be an imposition on some to prove they are citizens....even though only citizens can legally vote....

hows that for convoluted logic....
It's complicated. DoJ has been doing a lot of the blocking - but from what I've looked at it seems the combination of reducing access with the ID requirement is what's doing it..but again I've just looked at this in a cursory fashion.I might be missing something..

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...s-voter-id-law-violates-voting-rights-n613481
It only took a few hours for TEXAS to move forward on its voter ID law, considered the strictest in the nation. ... The Justice Department blocked a similar voter ID law passed by SOUTH CAROLINA in 2011, and a federal court prevented its implementation in 2012
 
The courts have thrown out voter ID because it would be an imposition on some to prove they are citizens....even though only citizens can legally vote....

hows that for convoluted logic...
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They threw it out because it's a solution in search of a problem. The costs outweigh the benefits.
 
Cfan, it was just passed a couple of days ago....

the state House of Representatives passed a tough voter-ID bill that includes $3 million for funding of free state identification and birth certificates after over 18,000 voters cast ballots without identification in the presidential election

????......I've had to show ID for years......
 
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