Recount Update....

The recount drive was nothing less than an attempt to discredit the conservative landslide.....to divide the nation as long as they can.
 
If trump called for a recount to try and locate those "3 million illegal votes" that kept him from winning the popular vote (ha ha), you'd be cheering him on.

fyi because of all the irregularities found when they were counting wayne county ballots the state of michigan is now going to institute voter ID laws. So something good came out of this :)
 
The recount drive was nothing less than an attempt to discredit the conservative landslide.....to divide the nation as long as they can.

trump himself said there's voter fraud in PA. You don't believe him now?

"We're gonna watch Pennsylvania. Go down to certain areas and watch and study and make sure other people don't come in and vote five times. ... The only way we can lose, in my opinion -- and I really mean this, Pennsylvania -- is if cheating goes on. I really believe it. Because I looked at Erie and it was the same thing as this. ...

[L]et me just tell you, I looked over Pennsylvania. And I'm studying it. And we have some great people here. Some great leaders here of the Republican Party, and they're very concerned about that. And that's the way we can lose the state. And we have to call up law enforcement. And we have to have the sheriffs and the police chiefs and everybody watching. Because if we get cheated out of this election, if we get cheated out of a win in Pennsylvania, which is such a vital state, especially when I know what's happening here, folks. I know. She can't beat what's happening here.

The only way they can beat it in my opinion -- and I mean this 100 percent -- if in certain sections of the state they cheat, OK? So I hope you people can sort of not just vote on the 8th, go around and look and watch other polling places and make sure that it's 100 percent fine, because without voter identification -- which is shocking, shocking that you don't have it."
 
Voters provide ID when they register.

Rubbish. Participating in the voter registration here in CO has taught me quite a few things... They give the last four of a social security and check a box that says they are a citizen. The Feds are supposed to verify the social security to the name using the last four, but they have thrice refused such checks even after courts have told them they must here in CO. With same day registration, they don't even have to provide anything other than that and get to vote. Somebody with time and a bus could take the same group around with fake addresses/names and vote in many different precincts. There is nothing at all to stop fraud, in fact the system doesn't allow checks that would even stop the simplest of fraud.
 
Rubbish. Participating in the voter registration here in CO has taught me quite a few things... They give the last four of a social security and check a box that says they are a citizen. The Feds are supposed to verify the social security to the name using the last four, but they have thrice refused such checks even after courts have told them they must here in CO. With same day registration, they don't even have to provide anything other than that and get to vote. Somebody with time and a bus could take the same group around with fake addresses/names and vote in many different precincts. There is nothing at all to stop fraud, in fact the system doesn't allow checks that would even stop the simplest of fraud.

The last four of your social and check the box lol.

What an insurmountable hurdle to vote fraud. It's a joke. It's almost like they encourage it.

I think more political energy should be spent on voter ID laws while republicans are in power. Democrats will shriek racism but they've cried wolf so much it won't matter.

Get the law passed and see how the popular vote goes in the next election.
 
Rubbish. Participating in the voter registration here in CO has taught me quite a few things... They give the last four of a social security and check a box that says they are a citizen. The Feds are supposed to verify the social security to the name using the last four, but they have thrice refused such checks even after courts have told them they must here in CO. With same day registration, they don't even have to provide anything other than that and get to vote. Somebody with time and a bus could take the same group around with fake addresses/names and vote in many different precincts. There is nothing at all to stop fraud, in fact the system doesn't allow checks that would even stop the simplest of fraud.
ridiculous..we need a national ID card ( which everybody hates) -or at least real ID laws.
The Republicans keep tryingto shorten hours though when they write ID laws -can't have that -the courts won't allow it
 
ridiculous..we need a national ID card ( which everybody hates) -or at least real ID laws.
The Republicans keep tryingto shorten hours though when they write ID laws -can't have that -the courts won't allow it

The issue needs a good, pragmatic, solution lol.
 
Rubbish. Participating in the voter registration here in CO has taught me quite a few things... They give the last four of a social security and check a box that says they are a citizen. The Feds are supposed to verify the social security to the name using the last four, but they have thrice refused such checks even after courts have told them they must here in CO. With same day registration, they don't even have to provide anything other than that and get to vote. Somebody with time and a bus could take the same group around with fake addresses/names and vote in many different precincts. There is nothing at all to stop fraud, in fact the system doesn't allow checks that would even stop the simplest of fraud.

Fact. Voter fraud is "extraordinarily rare" in America. "According to Politifact, there were just 85 prosecutions for voter fraud in Texas from 2002 to 2015, and not all of them led to convictions. That's a paltry number considering that more than 42 million ballots were cast in the state's general elections from 2002 to 2014."

Something tells me you wouldn't accept the Politifact research, though.
 
Fact. Voter fraud is "extraordinarily rare" in America. "According to Politifact, there were just 85 prosecutions for voter fraud in Texas from 2002 to 2015, and not all of them led to convictions. That's a paltry number considering that more than 42 million ballots were cast in the state's general elections from 2002 to 2014."

Something tells me you wouldn't accept the Politifact research, though.

cuz theyre not looking for it?
 
The last four of your social and check the box lol.

What an insurmountable hurdle to vote fraud. It's a joke. It's almost like they encourage it.

I think more political energy should be spent on voter ID laws while republicans are in power. Democrats will shriek racism but they've cried wolf so much it won't matter.

Get the law passed and see how the popular vote goes in the next election.

Lol. Maybe in WVA. For PA registration you have to give a Penndot driver's license or identity card and both have pictures. And when you vote for the first time you have to show one of those picture IDs.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html



Washington
In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud
By ERIC LIPTON and IAN URBINAAPRIL 12, 2007





WASHINGTON, April 11 — Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.
Although Republican activists have repeatedly said fraud is so widespread that it has corrupted the political process and, possibly, cost the party election victories, about 120 people have been charged and 86 convicted as of last year.
Most of those charged have been Democrats, voting records show. Many of those charged by the Justice Department appear to have mistakenly filled out registration forms or misunderstood eligibility rules, a review of court records and interviews with prosecutors and defense lawyers show.
In Miami, an assistant United States attorney said many cases there involved what were apparently mistakes by immigrants, not fraud.




In Wisconsin, where prosecutors have lost almost twice as many cases as they won, charges were brought against voters who filled out more than one registration form and felons seemingly unaware that they were barred from voting.
One ex-convict was so unfamiliar with the rules that he provided his prison-issued identification card, stamped “Offender,” when he registered just before voting.
A handful of convictions involved people who voted twice. More than 30 were linked to small vote-buying schemes in which candidates generally in sheriff’s or judge’s races paid voters for their support.
A federal panel, the Election Assistance Commission, reported last year that the pervasiveness of fraud was debatable. That conclusion played down findings of the consultants who said there was little evidence of it across the country, according to a review of the original report by The New York Times that was reported on Wednesday.
Mistakes and lapses in enforcing voting and registration rules routinely occur in elections, allowing thousands of ineligible voters to go to the polls. But the federal cases provide little evidence of widespread, organized fraud, prosecutors and election law experts said.
“There was nothing that we uncovered that suggested some sort of concerted effort to tilt the election,” Richard G. Frohling, an assistant United States attorney in Milwaukee, said.
Richard L. Hasen, an expert in election law at the Loyola Law School, agreed, saying: “If they found a single case of a conspiracy to affect the outcome of a Congressional election or a statewide election, that would be significant. But what we see is isolated, small-scale activities that often have not shown any kind of criminal intent.”
For some convicted people, the consequences have been significant. Kimberly Prude, 43, has been jailed in Milwaukee for more than a year after being convicted of voting while on probation, an offense that she attributes to confusion over eligibility.
In Pakistan, Usman Ali is trying to rebuild his life after being deported from Florida, his legal home of more than a decade, for improperly filling out a voter-registration card while renewing his driver’s license.
In Alaska, Rogelio Mejorada-Lopez, a Mexican who legally lives in the United States, may soon face a similar fate, because he voted even though he was not eligible.
The push to prosecute voter fraud figured in the removals last year of at least two United States attorneys whom Republican politicians or party officials had criticized for failing to pursue cases.
The campaign has roiled the Justice Department in other ways, as career lawyers clashed with a political appointee over protecting voters’ rights, and several specialists in election law were installed as top prosecutors.
Department officials defend their record. “The Department of Justice is not attempting to make a statement about the scale of the problem,” a spokesman, Bryan Sierra, said. “But we are obligated to investigate allegations when they come to our attention and prosecute when appropriate.”
Officials at the department say that the volume of complaints has not increased since 2002, but that it is pursuing them more aggressively.
 
https://www.bing.com/search?q=studi...266ac0551fd29861e38&pq=studies+in+voter+fraud



Myth of Voter Fraud | Brennan Center for Justice
https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud

Stories about election rigging and voter fraud have been flooding the news lately, but what’s the truth? The Brennan Center for Justice, a nonpartisan law and ...
News about Studies In Voter Fraud
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Study cited as proof of vote fraud by Trump team misinterpretted, author says
USA Today*· 10 days ago
In this Nov. 8, 2016 file photo, a voter enters a booth at a polling place in Exeter, N.H. (Photo: Elise Amendola, AP) Donald Trump's team says …


Donald Trump Transition Team Gives No Evidence of Voter Fraud This Year
ABC News*· 11 days ago
When asked for proof of his claims, the Trump transition team did not point to evidence of voter fraud in this election, instead citing a 2012 Pew …
Dartmouth study says voter fraud not rampant
Union Leader*· 5 days ago
HANOVER — A Dartmouth College study on voter fraud says allegations made by the Donald Trump presidential campaign claiming voter fraud is widespread are …
Trump's Bogus Voter Fraud Claims - FactCheck.org
www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims

Oct 19, 2016*· Donald Trump is citing unsubstantiated urban myths and a contested academic study to paint a false narrative about rampant voter fraud in the U.S. and …
Studies Contradict Trump Claim That Voter Fraud Is ‘Very ...
fortune.com/2016/10/18/studies...that-voter-fraud-is-very-very-common

Donald Trump is insisting voter fraud poses a significant threat to the integrity of the U.S. electoral system, despite a lack of evidence
Study Finds No Evidence of Widespread Voter Fraud - NBC …
www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-finds-no-evidence-widespread...

Watch video*· Lorraine Minnite, a political science professor at Rutgers University-Camden who wrote a book on the phenomenon in 2010 called "The Myth of Voter Fraud…
Support Voter Fraud - Vote Democrat - Townhall
townhall.com*› tipsheet*› Guy Benson

In a forthcoming article in the journal Electoral Studies, ... @allahpundit @guypbenson this voter fraud data is based on the ... Townhall.com is the leading source ...
31 In A Billion: Election Expert's Report Shatters Right ...
mediamatters.org/blog/2014/08/07/31-in-a-billion-election-experts...

Aug 07, 2014*· A new report has debunked the primary voter fraud argument right-wing media have used for years to promote unnecessarily strict voter identification laws ...
Study: Voter fraud is rare - CNN Video

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www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/10/17/voter-fraud...

Oct 17, 2016*· Donald Trump ramps up claims of a rigged election, but a study finds very few cases of voter fraud between 2000 and 2011
The Success of the Voter Fraud Myth - The New York Times
www.nytimes.com/2016/09/20/opinion/the-success-of-the-voter-fraud...
Sep 19, 2016*· There is essentially no voter fraud in America, but Republicans have spread the myth so persistently that a lot of people now believe it.
Who Can Vote? - A News21 2012 National Project
votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud

Analysis of the resulting comprehensive News21 election fraud database turned up 10 cases of voter impersonation. With 146 million registered voters in the United ...
The Truth About Voter Fraud | Brennan Center for Justice
https://www.brennancenter.org/publication/truth-about-voter-fraud

The Truth About Voter Fraud. Justin Levitt. November 9, 2007. View. Allegations of election-related fraud make for enticing press.
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7 papers, 4 government inquiries, 2 news investigations ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/07/09/7-papers-4...

Nov 27, 2016*· 7 papers, 4 government inquiries, 2 news investigations and 1 court ruling proving voter fraud is mostly a myth. The inside track on Washington politics.
U.S. GAO - Elections: Issues Related to State Voter ...
www.gao.gov/products/GAO-14-634

All 10 studies examined general elections before 2008, ... Challenges exist in using available information to estimate the incidence of in-person voter fraud.
Comprehensive 10-Year Voter Fraud Study Found: It's a GOP ...
aattp.org/comprehensive-10-year-voter-fraud-study-found-its-a-gop-myth

When the Republican party started losing national elections on a regular basis, they cried voter fraud. This study proves it's a lie.
 
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