It's crazy that you would believe a conspiracy around the Clinton's, but you won't believe the very real conspiracy that happened between the GOP and Russia.
reason # 4,072 of why we don't trust government
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It's crazy that you would believe a conspiracy around the Clinton's, but you won't believe the very real conspiracy that happened between the GOP and Russia.
So what do you think this gun would prove, if you could get your shit-covered hands on it?
Because it sounds to me that you're doing here the same thing you did in late 2020 and up until the day of the insurrection which was to indulge and proliferate fascist conspiracy theories.
Is the reason you did that because you are providing them with cover, or is the reason you did that because you believe them?
What if it was taken? It is not unheard of for people to come across crime scenes and removed articles they find there, and not report the crime.
What a missing gun shows is that someone else was there at this "suicide". It doesn't take much intelligence to understand that guns don't walk away or rapidly evaporate, if you commit suicide with a gun it remains at the scene. Well. Unless it is taken bodily up into the heavens in the gun rapture, that is.
Hold on, though, because are you sure it's "missing"?
Are you sure you're not just falling into the conspiracy hole because you need to provide cover for it?
Well 300,000 of them disappear from "responsible gun owners" every year.
So maybe if there was some kind of gun control, we could have prevented this from happening.
Remind me, which one of us opposes gun control? It's you, right?
Or not...someone could have just walked off with it since that happens 300,000 times a year.
300,000 guns go missing every year and 15% of the time, the cops aren't even informed.
No gun was found at the scene, it is in the report. It's like you don't understand what you are reading here. A death where someone was strapped to a tree, hung AND shot in the chest (killing him). The gun was not at the scene of the "suicide". Either the man managed to shoot himself and get rid of the gun before dying while he was strapped to the tree or someone else was there.
You are either being deliberately obtuse or are willing to pretend you are stupid to "protect" someone you don't know because they are also associated to someone you like.
I'm probably making a mistake here, but let me indulge this conspiracy theory for a second....
So let's say you DO find the gun...OK...so now what?
You have the gun, what's next?
Right, so someone could have come along and taken it, right?
Is that possible?
Is it possible that between the time he killed himself and the crime scene was taped off, someone could have came upon the scene and taken the gun?
I think you're the one who doesn't quite understand what is being read here because you make the jump to conspiracy without thinking that conspiracy through to its conclusion.
So let's say by some miracle the gun magically turns up somewhere, what is next?
So the gun was found...so then what?
Well, see here's the problem...what you're describing here is not what is in the coroner's report, nor is it supported by any photographic evidence.
So once again, you are making an assumption...the thing you attack other people on JPP for doing.
And what is an assumption, but a belief without evidence...in other words, your entire argument.
Innuendo isn't going to save you, and all you're doing by invoking it is indulging fascist conspiracy theories, like those you indulged after the 2020 election.
Again.
If the gun was there, as expected at a suicide because you can't both kill yourself with a gun and get rid of it, it would help prove it was a suicide. If the gun is somehow missing from the scene someone had to move it, and it can't be the guy taped to the tree and tied to it by a rope around the neck. If someone who was taped to a tree and tied to it by the rope shot himself, the gun would remain at the scene.
This is not rocket science. It isn't even CSI stuff. Guns cannot get rid of themselves.
You nor I are privy to the details of the crime scene. The authorities ruled it a suicide. The family apparently agreed with the results. They requested the records sealed. Have fun speculating.
OK, so you found the gun by some miracle...now what?
How are you going to prove that gun was used by someone else to kill that guy, 30 years after the fact?
So you have a 30 year old gun that's been in countless hands, so now what?
It seems all you have is innuendo, no hard evidence, no facts...just your insistence in your own judgment, not identified by anyone except for yourself.
Geebus. Read the frickin' story and stop just saying stuff, because you are wrong. The report was made public by a judge (after a information act request). Read the report. (I did).
Guns do not go missing from suicides. Which is why STY noted that this kind of thing is why folks do not trust "the authorities" to always tell you the truth.
If the gun was not missing I would not be noting that it could not be a suicide because someone got rid of the weapon that caused his death. This is the shortest route to your answer. "And then what?" And then I'd be more likely to believe their ruling of a suicide is "then what"...
When people kill themselves with guns their gun stays at the scene.
OK, so I'm indulging your conspiracy theory here and you completely avoided it!
Let's say by some miracle Fox News finds the gun...so...then what? How does the gun help advance your conspiracy theory?
It seems your conspiracy theory hinges on the gun NOT being found. So if it IS found, then what does that mean for your theory, and wouldn't that then mean that you WOULDN'T want to ever find it?
You know, the deeper we go into YOUR conspiracy, the clearer it becomes that the one running the conspiracy is you!
If they find the gun, taken from the scene and put somewhere else, they could then find the person who moved the gun from the scene.
Again, guns do not walk away from suicides. The gun should be there if it was a suicide. That it is not tends to point to a different conclusion.
I don't think you ever want the gun to be found because if it is, then your conspiracy theory becomes invalid.
I think what's more important to you here is the innuendo your conspiracy theory relies on, rather than the truth of what actually happened.
Because if you really wanted to get to the truth of what actually happened, you'd want to find the gun because you think the gun will help prove your conspiracy theory true...except that you don't have confidence in that conspiracy theory yourself because you won't reconcile the only conclusion to your theory that matters...WHAT NEXT?
How do you go to prove the conspiracy theory true if the gun is found?
I am repeating the facts that I know of the case, it isn’t saying stuff. You have fun with your conspiracy theories.
Not if it was some bystander who happened upon the scene first.
About 800 guns disappear every day.
That's 34 guns every hour, 1 gun every 2 minutes.
So it's entirely believable that someone came along and took the gun from the scene, since so many guns just disappear every hour.