No. I remember what we are talking about. Abnormal does not mean immoral. Homosexuals are certainly abnormal and I have never argued otherwise. So fucking what?
Being left handed is abnormal. Being redheaded is abnormal. Neither are immoral.
Reality: Homosexual Marriage
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No. I remember what we are talking about. Abnormal does not mean immoral. Homosexuals are certainly abnormal and I have never argued otherwise. So fucking what?
Being left handed is abnormal. Being redheaded is abnormal. Neither are immoral.
Yeah, except the rest of us are not bitching about the great suffereing we will endure if gays are allowed to marry. Just you haters.
Regardless, Ditzy claimed I raised the point as some sort of strawman (he thinks your argument is stupid). I did not. You made the argument that it affects other people in a significant way, but you can't really say how.
Oh yeah, those spousal benefits for employees, that will ruin everyone.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
support for gay marriage, poll April 2010:
proposition 8 passed in California with 52% of the vote.....unarguably the most liberal state in the country....
PostmodernProphet
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deja vu.....I'm sure I already answered this....why not page back...actually, I think it's on EVERY page of this thread since you repeated your claim so many times....
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
I can't say how?...despite the fact that I have said how a dozen times at least.....the problem isn't that I'm not saying it, the problem is you are ignoring it....
Since you apparently forgot, "so-fucking-that" was not your point. You argued that being left handed is normal while homosexuality is abnormal, but you have failed to show why or how. You claimed a reasonable person would expect anyone and everyone to be hertero. But there is no reason a reasonable person should expect everyone to be hetero anymore than they should expect everyone to be rght handed.
Homosexuality is abnormal as being left handed or red headed is abnormal. So what? We celebrate and cherish people who are abnormally gifted. There is nothing wrong with being abnormal.
You have given one example, an employer paying spousal benefits. That's it. How else does it impact anyone?
The only other things you have mentioned are about how it upsets your mental state to allow them to marry.
That's your problem. No one else is responsible for it how it makes you feel, you whiny bitch. I am sure many of the current and former members of the kkk genuinely and sincereley feel upset when they see a black man marry a white woman. Again, so fucking what?
Quit being a self centered crybaby. What are you 16?
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
How is it going to affect you?
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Equality isn't subject to a vote, nitwit.
I said marriage equality is going to ultimately be upheld in the courts, as a matter of basic civil rights, and equality under the law. Get used to it, and deal with it. It's going to ultimately happen.
I don't give a crap how a bunch of overweight, middle aged white dudes in a legislature think they would vote on this. And I don't give a crap if my neighbor down the street is stressing out about gays. My experience is that there's a shitload of people who spend their days stressing out about the sex lives of people they don't even know.
So, gay sex makes you feel icky. Me too. It doesn't appeal to me at all. Who gives a fuck what you or I think about it? It's not our lives.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
And in the last two years, since it was passed, that percentage seems to be changing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_California
Polling
In a poll taken one week after the decision by the court, a Los Angeles Times poll found that 54% of respondents supported an amendment to the California constitution to ban gay marriage.[60] In contrast, however, a Field Poll survey tracking attitudes regarding same-sex marriage in California has shown steadily increasing support in favor of same-sex marriage since Field first asked the question in 1977, when only 28% supported the idea. According to the Field Poll, support for same-sex marriage in California reached a majority for the first time in 2008, with 51% in support, 42% opposed, and 7% with no opinion.[61] The poll also showed majority support among those under 50 years of age, with 68% of 18 to 29 year olds supporting it. Among those 65 or older, support drops to 36%. Majorities in support of same sex marriages were also found among those living in Los Angeles County, the San Francisco Bay Area and other more urban parts of Northern California, while a majority of those in the Central Valley and areas of Southern California outside Los Angeles County were opposed.
A poll released in March, 2010 by The Public Policy Institute of California found that 50% of respondents support gay marriage while 45% oppose it.[62]
Now, I wonder why that is.
I don't know what great answer you think you gave. It really does not matter since you continue to insist that gay marriage is all about how it affects you.
You are delusional. Nobody fucking cares about what you think of it. The trauma you feel from gay marriage is self induced. Quit being a whiny, self-centered, little bitch.
Southern Chicken
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Can you provide evidence that it affects children negatively? besides your own personal reasons
I never said abnormal was bad SocTeaser, just that you can harm children by lying to them by saying that queer is normal. I have been consistent in this point since first making it yet you continue to mis-characterize my argument, obviously due to the weakness of your argument.
Bullshit. You and PMP, throughout the thread, have implied that abnormal is immoral.
Where are kids being told that most people are homosexual, i.e., that it is normal? The only time anyone would claim it is normal is if they were assigning moral value to the word, just as you do.
SM/PMP/Dixie gamplan says.... Claim you already have a hundred times, but fail to give one specific example.
But anyway, how would it negatively impact kids if you told them that most people are homosexual or that it is normal? It might slightly confuse the future Republicans, but my guess is most of them will just disregard it as nonsense since most of the people they know display heterosexual tendencies.
If they assign moral value to the word, then they may come to believe that it is not immoral. I must assume, that is your actual concern. Oh how horrible it is, to convince a child to forfeit the gay bashing lifestyle that has brought you so much joy.
If they assign moral value to the word, then they may come to believe that it is not immoral. I must assume, that is your actual concern. Oh how horrible it is, to convince a child to forfeit the gay bashing lifestyle that has brought you so much joy.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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No ones civil rights are being violated, all people follow the same rules regarding marriage. Churches don't establish laws, people do.
Perhaps. Again, what difference does that make?
I don't need to change minds, a simple majority ratifies a Constitutional amendment, and in every state, there is a majority who oppose gay marriage. It is YOU who needs to change some minds, and you haven't.
I would say these forums are slanted considerably more to the left and libertarian than social conservative. If you're not changing minds here, you're really going to have problems with the social conservatives.
No one is suggesting it YET! Once we've codified law based on someone's sex life, we are bound by the equal protection clause of the Constitution, whether you like it or not. How can you give a 'right' to one group of sexual deviants, and not give the same 'right' to another?
You're full of shit as usual Dumo. You're the only one who half way agrees with my solution here, but you are bouncing between that and outright legalizing Gay Marriage, which I am opposed to. You're a fucking idiot, and you don't really give a shit about this issue, as long as you get a balanced budget amendment. I'm not a congressman or a lobbyist, I can't do anything to get anything passed. I stated truthfully what I would accept, and you don't have to believe me.
No one is being treated unequally! The rules apply to all parties the exact same! No one can marry same sex, just like no one can marry kids or animals. There is no discrimination, except in your empty thoughtless head.
And get used to a new Constitutional amendment! Because that will ultimately happen as well!
Well you really better start giving a shit, because they are the ones who will ratify a Constitutional amendment and kill Gay Marriage forever.
Yeah, I have to wonder why you do it?
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WinterBorn
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Ample evidence of you ignoring the trends and research available.
Get in touch with the people who tried to get the ERA ratified and tell them your idea that the marriage amendment will go thru.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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The ERA didn't get ratified because only a small minority felt it was needed. The same would not be the case with an amendment to define marriage. I think you underestimate how many people are actively opposed to Gay Marriage.
And you can talk about "trends" all you like... This is a left-leaning libertarian-dominated board, and you've not changed a single mind on the issue. You will need to change a majority of minds in this country, to stop a constitutional amendment. Given the fact you can't even change the minds of moderates on a liberal/libertarian message board, I think you've got a LOT of work to do, especially in the Bible Belt, where opposition to Gay Marriage is upwards of 90% or more. I mean, even by your own biased polling, you can barely muster a majority in CALIFORNIA! ....You got a LOT of work to do!
PostmodernProphet
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the question was whether it would be ratified by the states as a constitutional amendment......I would suggest to you that yes, the issue would be subject to a vote.....you ought to be more careful of who you call a nitwit and when....