PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
if you can't speak for the people who are taking that precise action, then don't use try to use civil unions as a defense in this debate, because it did NOT satisfy the gay activists......
Reality: Homosexual Marriage
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PostmodernProphet
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by right of consent...we've agreed to do that by operation of law.....gays are trying to force it against consent by court order.....that is the difference....
PostmodernProphet
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I think I've seen this tried before....you can't defeat my logic by arguing with what I said, so you put down what you wish I had said because you could have won the argument if I had been stupid enough to say it......using this method leaves you looking like the fucking idiot you truly are.....
USFREEDOM911
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"why should we give government benefits applicable to "marriage" to people who can't marry?.......should we give government benefits to people who just live together as roommates?......how about men and women who choose not to marry?.......isn't the law unfair to them as well?.....should we redefine marriage to include the not married?....."
Strawman argument.
Total failure
USFREEDOM911
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But then asswipes like yourself, tend to want to exert control over those that they don't agree with; because of your low self-esteem and your fear of change.
Now that we have the greetings out of the way, why don't you try to show where I'm in error, instead of just stating that I am.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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Did you make some kind of point that can be shown to be in error or something? All I see from you is a "translation" of what PMP said, and your commentary opinion. Your opinion can be whatever you want it to be, no one can say your opinion is "in error" because it is YOUR OPINION! Whether your opinion is valid or not, that is a different matter.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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USFREEDOM, Yurt, Winter... whoever the fuck else... let's get something straight (pardon the pun)...
There is NO law which says homosexuals can't marry! They have the exact SAME right to marry any person of the opposite sex they so desire, as long as they are of legal age and the other party is of legal age, and consents. If you have an example of a State which prohibits homosexuals from marrying, or doing anything else, based on the fact they are homosexual, please let me know. I will be right there with you to protest such a law. Until you present this, please shut the fuck up with the analogies comparing this to interracial marriage or other discriminatory practices of the past, because you have not demonstrated where anyone has been discriminated against here.
There is NO law which says homosexuals can't marry! They have the exact SAME right to marry any person of the opposite sex they so desire, as long as they are of legal age and the other party is of legal age, and consents. If you have an example of a State which prohibits homosexuals from marrying, or doing anything else, based on the fact they are homosexual, please let me know. I will be right there with you to protest such a law. Until you present this, please shut the fuck up with the analogies comparing this to interracial marriage or other discriminatory practices of the past, because you have not demonstrated where anyone has been discriminated against here.
USFREEDOM911
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Obviously your fear has blinded you and this is why you're unable to make the correlation that I was making.
It's either that, or you're just stupid.
I'll leave it up to you to show which description is accurate.
USFREEDOM911
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"There is NO law which says homosexuals can't marry! They have the exact SAME right to marry any person of the opposite sex they so desire,..."
Strawman argument
Major fail
Dixie - In Memoriam
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I don't "fear" anything.... that is a fallacy you have presented to attempt intimidation. OOOOHHHH.... I have to change what I believe because USF thinks I am afraid! I don't want USF to think I am afraid, so I better change my opinion and agree with him! You are the one who is STUPID beyond comprehension, not ME!
"There is NO law which says homosexuals can't marry! They have the exact SAME right to marry any person of the opposite sex they so desire,..."
Strawman argument
Major fail
There is no strawman argument, that is what YOU and the others continue to try and CLAIM... that poor homosexuals are like the blacks who were forbidden from marrying years ago, and that is not the case, homosexuals can marry just like everyone else can, there is NO DISCRIMINATION! They can't marry the same sex, just like no one else can marry the same sex! WE ALL HAVE THE SAME RULES, WE ALL HAVE THE SAME RIGHT!
USFREEDOM911
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But you are afraid.,
You're afraid of societaly change.
You're afraid that it's somenhow going to change you marriage.
You're afraid to accept others, when they are doing nothing to harm you or anyone else.
You're afraid.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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But you are afraid.,
You're afraid of societaly change.
You're afraid that it's somenhow going to change you marriage.
You're afraid to accept others, when they are doing nothing to harm you or anyone else.
You're afraid.
Nope, I am not afraid. Sorry!
I know you would like for me to be afraid, or you would like to think it is "fear" which drives my viewpoint, but it just isn't, and nothing you can say will make that so. If you want to continue to ignorantly believe that, you are certainly entitled to be ignorant, I can't stop you. But I am telling you... not afraid, not a bit!
USFREEDOM911
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Then please explain why allowing Homosexuals to be united in Marriage is going to affect your life or who it's going to harm.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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i've already explained it, please read and become informed!
USFREEDOM911
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With all the things that I've seen thrown out, to rail against this, I'm not going to wade back through all the vitoral, just to see what you're using as a reason to justify your narrow thought process.
If it's not important enough for you to reiterate, then your strawman opinions aren't worth considering.
Thanks for playing; but you lose.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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There is no "playing" and my position is still the law, so YOU are the loser.... sorry!
Marriage is the union of a male and female for the purpose of procreation. That is what it is, and what it always has been in America and in the Church. It is only within the past decade or so, we have been entertained by morons who think they can "redefine" what marriage is, to legitimize homosexual relationships. Since that isn't what marriage is, or ever has been, and since it is an important foundational and fundamental part of religious custom, you've been met with fierce opposition to the willy-nilly notion of just changing the definition. Since that has happened, you have sought to go on a rampage of insulting people, accusing them of being homophobic bigots, likening them to racists, and telling them they are "afraid" of change. It has done you no good whatsoever, nearly 80% of the country still opposes Gay Marriage.
You are the one with a "narrow thought process" here, not me. You mistakenly think that your viewpoint will be accepted, if only you can brow-beat enough people, if only you can insult them enough to come around to your way of thinking, and it hasn't worked. But you still continue, the same conversations, the same arguments, the same false claims and insults... never changes, you'll be back to start a new thread tomorrow to repeat it all again... like the narrow-minded fool you are.
If your concerns were legitimately regarding what benefits homosexual couples obtained, you would stop trying to cram Gay Marriage down people's throats, and you would realize how futile that effort is, but being a narrow-minded twit, you can't possibly bring yourself to think of anything else to do! So you'll repeat yourself over and over again, to people who are never going to change their opinions or views, because they have legitimate reasons to hold those views. In the process of you acting like a narrow-minded idiot, you push people even further away from the viewpoint you want them to have, because that is how people react to those who insult them.
Comprehensive Civil Unions legislation would accomplish everything you and the homosexual couples wish to accomplish, without denigrating religious traditions or upsetting religious people, or "redefining" the meaning of traditional marriage. It could be established, not only as a mechanism to assist gay couples with 'married' benefits, but spinster sisters, a son or daughter with an aging parent to care for, or just two platonic friends who wanted to share a household together. It's actually a BETTER solution than the narrow-minded solution you refuse to abandon... but being you are a narrow-minded twit, who is incapable of change, and unwilling to compromise, we will rehash this same stupid Gay Marriage debate all over again tomorrow, and the next day, and the day after that... but you will never get what you want, it isn't going to happen.
Socrtease
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You keep focusing on religion. Who's religion? You seem to suggest that all relgious groups oppose gay marriage when in fact that is not true. Unitarian Universalists perform gay marriages as do many other independent churches all over the country. No church would be required to perform same sex marriages if it was a violation of their beliefs. Just as the catholic church refused to marry my first wife and I because I am an athiest. She was told that the church would never recognize our marriage. The argument that it will force to churches to do anything is a lie. Churches are allowed to discriminate. That is legal under the free exercise clause. Conservative and Othodox Jewish temples don't marry Jews to non-Jews, Mormons will not marry non-mormons, hell they don't allow non-mormons at the ceremony and one of my friends could only attend his sister's reception if he and his wife worked as table servers. So as a religious institution, marriages are protected all the time. This is a scare tactic used by people that just don't want same sex couples to be married.
Strawmen are the norm, the entire argument of "abnormal" is one huge straw man. There are many, many things humans do that are abnormal.
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WinterBorn
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And only one of those "abnormalities" that prevent marriage between consenting adults.
Socrtease
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Because sometimes people withhold consent for biggoted reasons. Until 1964 in most states an employer could refuse to hire a black person because they didn't like them. The federal government changed that. I am sure you were or are opposed to that as well. As I pointed out in another place, we in america do not believe in tyranny of the majority. Mills spoke quite eloquently about it. You on the other hand DO believe in the tyranny of the majority. You are an authoritarian just like SM and exactly the kind of person Mills taked about. You believe that because a majority of americans don't like a minority of americans they can discriminated against them. Plain and simple. Gay marriage would not force you to accept homosexual behavior any more than Loving v. Virginia forced people to accept interracial marriage. You can go on the rest of your life believing it is not a valid marriage just like racists believe that interracial marriages are not true marriages. But you can't discriminate against a black man married to a white woman and you should not be allowed to discriminate against two women married to eachother.