Ok then tell me what range ICE vehicles, on average get on a single tank of gas and I will do same on range for average EV in same class.
The range of an EV varies, depending on whether it's a hot day, cold day, type of road traveled, GCVW, and...of course, the condition of your battery.
For practical purposes, the range of an EV is similar to about 3/4 of the range of similar sized gasoline car. Then the battery is dead, and will require hours to recharge it.
The range of a gasoline vehicle is essentially infinite. Since it only requires a few minutes to refuel, it can keep going for as long as you wish.
GCVW, however, is an important factor. Since the EV is so heavy, most of them can't tow anything, not even an empty utility trailer.
Gasoline cars, on the other hand, can easily handle utility trailers with a load.
EV trucks, such as the Ford F150E has a range of about 60 miles when towing. The gasoline version has an effective range of infinite towing the same load, and can even travel four times the distance between refueling.
EVs are heavy. They are banned from some parking garages for this reason. The garage is not rated for all that additional weight.
Let's see which of us is falling for talking points.
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And the statement "you will never be able fill up a battery at the same speed as filling with gas ' is complete ignorance.
Nope. It's simply mathematics. All batteries have an internal resistance, that must be overcome when charging. This internal resistance limits how fast a battery can charge. It is simply not possible to charge an EV battery in the few minutes it takes to refuel a gasoline or diesel vehicle.
You are ignoring electrochemistry, Ohm's Law, and Ampere's Law. Further, batteries have a very narrow range of chemical efficiency. Like any chemical reaction, colder temperatures slow down the reaction, and increase charge times significantly. In cold winter areas, it may not be possible to charge an EV battery at all.
You are doing the stupid thing Terry does and pretending you know the future and can make statements of fact about it when neither you or i do.
These laws are part of physics, Kewpie. Ignoring them won't make them go away.
What we know for certain is that battery charge times keep making MASSIVE improvements as new technologies improve the process and we are early in that cycle with tons of VC betting it will keep getting better and faster.
The Lithium Ion battery was created in the 1980's. It is still the same. There is no Magick Improvement. It is the same battery technology, the same electrochemistry, the same internal resistance, and the same Ohm's Law and Ampere's law governing rate of charge and discharge.
Charging a Lithium-ion battery too quickly results in thermal runaway, starting a battery fire. There is no getting around this. ALL current moving through a battery (either charge or discharge) generates heat. This, again, is part of Ohm's law that you ignore.
You cannot declare they will not succeed as if you know the future
You are talking about the past, Luddite. The Lithium-ion battery is the lightest battery possible. It has a very low internal resistance, but it is not zero. The chemistry is subject to thermal runaway if the reaction becomes hot enough. The chemistry is temperature dependent.
Further, poor weather reduces range considerably. The cabin must be heated or cooled, wipers, lights for driving at night, and the extra heating or cooling requirements for the battery itself all decrease energy available to move the car. Most battery packs have no heating capability, and in very cold weather simply can't generate sufficient energy to move the car. The rolling resistance on the tires increase considerably as well.
These factors also affect gasoline cars, but heat from the engine is free. Gasoline engines are heat engines, after all. Gasoline can be pumped and burned as much lower temperatures than an EV battery will function. The effective range of gasoline and diesel engines over EVs is a major safety factor in such conditions.
You wish to stick with Lithium-ion batteries, a 1980's technology. That's 40 year old technology.
Gasoline cars and even diesel vehicles have advanced their technology a LOT in that same bit of time. Gasoline cars are all multipoint fuel injected FADEC designs now. They are achieving efficiencies up to 50%, almost twice the efficiency of an EV under ideal conditions, and ONLY under ideal conditions. Under poor conditions, this ratio only improves for the gasoline car.
I suggest you go learn about electrochemistry, battery internal resistance, Ohm's law, Ampere's Law, organic chemistry, the BTU available for each system, GCVW, and Newton's law of motion.
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