Ramming healthcare thru via reconciliation?
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SmarterthanYou
rebel
reconcilliation. what the dems will try to do is get the house to accept the senate version, then make amendments to it as needed. Since the bill has already passed the cloture vote needed in the senate, it would only take 51 votes to pass it as is.
Nah, they planned on this being the last resort if they had no other option. The push now is to get people who hate the bill to vote for it so they can use reconciliation to summarily change it in the Senate.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
The 'Rats called this the "nuclear option" when the GOP threatened to use it during the Bush Administration. Now it has a nice-sounding name. 
What it will do though is effectively eliminate the Senate filibuster, hence make voting this thing out much easier after Obama's retired on January 20, 2013...
What it will do though is effectively eliminate the Senate filibuster, hence make voting this thing out much easier after Obama's retired on January 20, 2013...
TuTu Monroe
A Realist
Let them. It will be the death of the Democratic party.
Yes, Republicans vehemently oppose the passage of the bill that will be the death of the Democratic Party. That makes total sense.
Anybody can see it would be difficult to unwind it without either an R President or supermajorities. Nobody believes that Rs will get a supermajority in the Congress. Bad legislation is still bad legislation when you can't unwind it.
Anybody can see it would be difficult to unwind it without either an R President or supermajorities. Nobody believes that Rs will get a supermajority in the Congress. Bad legislation is still bad legislation when you can't unwind it.
Well, "Death of the Democratic Party" suggests that the Republicans would be able to take back Congress and the presidency in 2012 at which point they could certainly undo it all and pass what they prefer instead.
Maybe "death" has a different meaning than the one I am accustomed to using.
Cancel 2016.2
The Almighty
yes, it does make sense, because the Reps know that once these unfunded government hand outs become law, they are nearly impossible to get rid of.
TuTu Monroe
A Realist
The 'Rats called this the "nuclear option" when the GOP threatened to use it during the Bush Administration. Now it has a nice-sounding name.
What it will do though is effectively eliminate the Senate filibuster, hence make voting this thing out much easier after Obama's retired on January 20, 2013...
If you really want to see how hypocritical the Dems are, check this out.
Well, we have a two-party system. In an environment where one party dies it shouldn't be difficult at all for the other to do whatever the hell it wants.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
The 'Rats are hoping that folks will become beholden to them for this new "freedom from responsibility", just like Social Security, ensuring them a dependable voting bloc for generations. This strategy has been effective in the past and so many believe that it will be effective in the future.
The 'Rats called this the "nuclear option" when the GOP threatened to use it during the Bush Administration. Now it has a nice-sounding name.
What it will do though is effectively eliminate the Senate filibuster, hence make voting this thing out much easier after Obama's retired on January 20, 2013...
Reconciliation is not the "nuclear option."
You're quite a natural at lying. Nice work, SM.
If the Rs could be assured of that I am sure they would be thrilled with its passage. One way it may be more likely is the fact that nobody will see any benefit from it until after the next Presidential election. So taxes will be collected and they'll see no benefit. It's interesting they didn't front-load this like FDR did with social security. He knew that benefit would make it popular and ensured that people would begin to see benefit right away. Obama, and the Ds, have not done this.
They keep saying that "when people see what they have", well they won't, until 2013, and at that point (if this passes) it may indeed be unwound.
There is no guarantee it will be, so the best thing for the US is to fight its passage now.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
They are basically the same thing, changing the rules during the middle of the game. When was "reconciliation" use for other than simple budget issues?
cawacko
Well-known member
Just to be clear neither party is "dying". We've had predictions of deaths of both the Democratic and Republican parties on here from varying people. The reason we know neither party is dying is because when either party is in power to long they inevitably f it up. So if by "death" we mean out of power for a few years then yes that will happen. If by "death" we mean out of power for years and years that's not going to happen.
I believe its how the Republcians got the Pill Bill passed.
Reconciliation involves zero rules changes and is an already established process. The "nuclear option" referred to a change in the rules. They aren't the same at all.