Raising minimum wage hurts those liberals claim to help
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I'm not, but I don't dehumanize democrats with stupid bumptersticker nonsense.
Interesting. So, when I point out, in another thread yesterday, that Dixie and others often do "team politics" (I used Kerry as an example, more specifically "voted for it, before I voted against it") I am somehow "defending the status quo"?
The reality is, only one of us pretends that the other "team" is somehow dehumanized to a level where even the stupidest bumpersticker ("They want dirty air!") makes sense to them.. and it isn't me.
While you do have a talent for almost sounding like you think when you post this kind of stuff, you give it away when you say dumb stuff like sentences that end with "they hate poor people". It is team politics, and at the basest and least thought provoking level. It's like the bad pun of politics. For some people it seems to be bread and butter, but when people who pay attention are your audience... it's just sad.
wanderingbear
Radical liberal
Man is that the stupidest thing ever said or what?
LOL. Your refusal to engage on what I actually said and the substance of my post is really quite telling. You play the game of deflection quite well.
The answer is really "it depends" and, yes, doubling the minimum wage would have a different impact than a more modest increase.
I didn't say it's a matter of not liking poor people. I initiall said that the various policy choices Republicans make may lead one to wonder whether they just don't like poor people. Later in the thread I expressed my personal opinion that they are just indifferent to poor people and care only about advocating on behalf of rich people.
christiefan915
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christiefan915
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I hear this argument a lot, that raising the minimum wage means the business owner will hire fewer workers. I think it's bogus. Where are the stats showing that every business owner wants to hire more people, especially small businesses? For example, small businesses include convenience stores, delis, bakeries, hairdressers, tradesmen, restaurants, etc. These are the people most likely to be paying minimum wage and they only need a finite number of workers. There's also a lot of turnover in them as people move up, move away, or go to school and that has an effect on any business. Many of us started our work life in minimum wage jobs, and they're usually not the kind of jobs you'd want to do permanently. I don't see why grunts, and that's what minimum-wage workers are, should have to work for a pittance. Nine dollars/hour vs. $7.50 still isn't going to pay the rent and cost of living.
You write "if an individual is already hired at minimum wage and the minimum wage is raised and they keep their job that is a benefit to them. They will make more money for doing the same work." That's true of any job, not just minimum wage jobs. Didn't you ever get merit raises? It doesn't necessarily mean your amount of work is changing, just that you performed your duties adequately or better.
You said "a large number of minimum wage workers are part-time workers and teenagers...". That's partly true but where I live you see more and more senior citizens doing these jobs in grocery stores, fast-food, convenience stores etc. They have to work to supplement their retirement money. And I also see how businesses get around the wage issue by keeping hours low enough that they don't have to provide any benefits, everything's strictly cash per hour.
IMO having a minimum wage subject to change helps keep employers honest because we all know they'd try to get blood out of a turnip if there were no regulations re: pay. No regulations means we go back to the sweatshops.
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Okay, what you said. "Damo, you are just like me. LOL, why don't you admit you are a republican!"
So I engaged, "Yeah, I am a republican. No, I'm not like you." gave examples, direct ones, and noted that I'll continue to point out the absurdity of professional moron-level team politics that actually make people who believe they are intelligent think the other guys really want to "make grandma eat dog food". And I will.
What is telling is your continued attempt to point in other directions, the problem is nothing is there. Not even something shiny that might distract the low-information voter away from the actual conversation.
I will say it again, anybody who brings this level of team-politics to a board like this where people pay attention is and always will be a kool-ade drinking bathtub sipping fool.
I was referring to my orignal post that gave you the vapors, not out subsequent discussion which has veered far afield from the actual topic of the thread. You still haven't addressed the substance.
You instead post stuff like that up there that, frankly, I don't even understand what you're actually saying. It looks like me to a lot or word salad from a guy that doesn't want to talk about the consequences of the policies he supports.
In short, the issue to me isn't whether Republicans hate poor people, or want dirty air, or want women to be abused (or any of the parade of horribles that you want to pretend I've said).
I'm not a mind reader. I can't see into Paul Ryan's soul. I can only judge their actions. Their actions reveal an unwillingness to do things to benefit poor people, to prevent the air from being further polluted, to ensure that victims of domestic violence receive justice and support, and cetera.
I'm not a mind reader. I can't see into Paul Ryan's soul. I can only judge their actions. Their actions reveal an unwillingness to do things to benefit poor people, to prevent the air from being further polluted, to ensure that victims of domestic violence receive justice and support, and cetera.
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So as you said a minimum wage of $7.50 isn't very much which makes it odd that you libs support it as it is currently constituted. For example, at $7.50/hour x 2080 = $15,600 a year. So you don't even support a wage that even matters for a family of four. The question is why not have a minimum wage of $40,000 a year? If you support arbitrary wages, which you obviously do, why not set it high enough so you aren't bitching about it. I await what I am sure will be an economically sound, devoid of emotion response
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OK, so if I use your logic, I must conclude the same thing. You and your ilk have supported a minimum wage for years yet people are still poor. For example, Commiefornistan is run 100% by democrats. Why isn't the minimum wage $20/hour in Commiefornistan? Why?
Judging by your actions, you must hate the poor
Groomers of the poor, hate poor people. That would be Leftists, Liberals, Socialists, Communists, most Democrats, and any other non-conservative based organization.
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Your left wing buddies have incubators in which to hatch all of your left wing wet dreams. For example there is nothing stopping you left wingers from imposing a $30/hour minimum wage in California. Why don't you? California is run by left wingers. Do they hate the poor?
I see you don't like your logic reversed on you. Typical.
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I humbly accept your concession. YOu would think I would tire of being right all the time, but alas, I do not
signalmankenneth
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Why The Minimum Wage Is A Women’s Issue, In Three Charts
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/02/13/1591791/minimum-wage-women-charts/?mobile=nc
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/02/13/1591791/minimum-wage-women-charts/?mobile=nc
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Are you saying Bernanke is lying? He says there is no inflation.
It really is hard to keep up with all of the lies of the left
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The minimum wage debate is always the easiest to win with left wingers because once you establish that you want to set an arbitrary floor on wages, then their flawed logic falls flat on its face when you ask them why it isn't $50,000 a year.
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