Raise The Minimum Wage!

j-mac said:
Not being confrontational right now, but I never thought you would.



Ok, that would be fine.



Absolutely, I was a frequent poster at Whistle Stopper.com before it collapsed, and currently at Debate Politics.com combined for about the past 9 years. Now, no doubt there are others around that were there too and can tell you that half the shit that goes down here would be 'permaban' stuff. But, I understand that this section is a little more raucous. I also know about APP, but can't post in there, is there a post count or something to get in?



No doubt, but friction I can handle, dishonesty in that friction is another thing. Outright baiting is also another thing...What good does that do the discussion? Take this thread for example, there are some 665 postings, and about 1/3 of them are actual debate back and forth, give or take, the rest are snide, snarky, vulgar bickering. What good does that do any debate? In the end it is a huge waste of time.



Oh, I do. Like I say good natured, even not so good natured, or heated back and forth is fine in politics, no problem. But look, you had one post in here attack someones mother, and another attack someones wife, with some pretty vile stuff...One was a conservative, the other was a liberal...What good did it do? Shit, y'all wanna do that crap, use the PM.....



Yeah, I am not one to use 'ignore' function too much. I think everyone should have a voice that wants one, and I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt that whatever nastiness will pass, and the discussion can move on...



Ok, I understand, you're a long time member. I'll give it a fair chance, and as you see, I can absolutely sling shit with the best of them, but I'll tell ya, I know this is the internet, but as most people do, I try to formulate my responses as though we are standing in a group of people talking. Now, I've done that as well, and it can get heated too, but a far different situation when the person your are about to insult may have had enough of the jabs, and punches you in the face...I've seen it happen. It put a pretty big damper on the party.

So, in conclusion, reset? I am all for it, let's start over. But if it is just going to be something that is meant to give a one way ticket for verbal abuse for no reason without reprise? That ain't going to happen...Agreed?
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:) I think you'll find that less [moderation] is definitely more [fun].
 
Rune said:
:facepalm: No they are not "interchangable". Words have real, actual, concise meanings. The words Adult and Children DO NOT MEAN THE SAME THING. lol, moron.
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Try reading dipshit... I did not state that Adult and Children meant the same thing. At all times they are children. Period. They can be 'teen' children', 'adolescent children', 'adult children'. Which again... is why it is ridiculous that morons like you continue to harp on it. He stated children, you all got up in arms and panties fully bunched, he clarified that he was talking about high school and college kids. You then continue pretending he meant something else.
 
Superfreak said:
Try reading dipshit... I did not state that Adult and Children meant the same thing. At all times they are children. Period. They can be 'teen' children', 'adolescent children', 'adult children'. Which again... is why it is ridiculous that morons like you continue to harp on it. He stated children, you all got up in arms and panties fully bunched, he clarified that he was talking about high school and college kids. You then continue pretending he meant something else.
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Umm, under this criteria it is correct to state that all people earning minimum wage are children.

I'm surprised you can't see it is you playing the silly semantics. Not shocked mind you, just mildly surprised.
 
Superfreak said:
try reading... the answer was already there... "because it is easier to shorten it to kids"
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Yeah, but, like, somebody somewhere would actually say "college children" and not shorten it to "college kids" if they actually had the same meaning, but no one anywhere ever does. That's because while all children are kids, not all kids are children.

Also, too, the trouble you're having, SF, is that "child" and "children" have more than one meaning and you want to pretend PMP used "children" to mean one thing when its abundantly clear that he meant the other. So, like, he wasn't talking about a person's son or daughter of any age. He was talking about human beings below the age of of majority.
 
so in summary, what have we learned so far....close to 53% of minimum wage earners are students who are not working to provide their primary financial support.....another 6% are over the age of 65 and are working a) to supplement other sources of income or b) to get out of the house to stave off boredom......an additional unknown percentage are people working part time for a variety of reasons, either as sole employment or second jobs or to supplement a spouse's earnings......another unknown percentage are employed in minimum wage jobs because they lack the capacity to hold down any jobs that require higher paying skills.....

when we change the law to provide a "living wage" should any of those be excepted or do you feel they are all entitled to earn a living wage?.....
 
Darla said:
Do adults between the ages of 55 and 58 always make the most sensible decisions?

I have no idea what this has to do with anything but since we are being whimsical...
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Not at all, but I would venture that if you asked a room full of people with kids in that age range, if they thought their kids were mature enough to make life effecting decisions totally on their own, more would say no, than would say yes.

Now that isn't to say that kids at that age can't be smart either, but of the late teens, early 20 somethings I have met, it is good that we protect them from some decisions until they are fully mature, and educated.

Oh, and bringing it back to minimum wage, which I think is the actual topic...You said earlier Darla that you supported a 'living wage', and I apologize if I didn't see your answer, but what is a 'living wage'?
 
Rune said:
Still trolling, still trying to change the topic...
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I'm sorry, maybe you could point out the "Trolling" you accuse me of? And while your at it define the topic so we can see if you are correct in what you are saying here?
 
Thom Hartmann: Pennsylvania Mayor Cuts Police and Firefighter Pay to Minimum Wage


In screwed news...Republicans want police and firefighters to only make minimum wage and no more. Last week – the Mayor of Scranton slashed the pay of hundreds of city workers, including cops and firefighters, to $7.25 an hour – the lowest hourly wage currently allowed for by law. The Mayor says that his city is broke and, because he's unwilling to raise taxes on business or millionaires, can't afford to pay its workers anymore money. That's the problem in several cities across America, which have seen their revenues dry up during the Bush Great Recession. President Obama offered a clear solution to this problem with his American Jobs Act, which gave emergency federal relief to states to help struggling cities avoid massive layoffs or pay cuts to public worker salaries. Unfortunately, Republicans have blocked the American Jobs Act – so police and firefighters across America are joining Wal-Mart workers in the ranks of the working poor. To add insult to injury, Republicans are also fighting a Democratic effort to raise the minimum wage – which currently has less buying power today than it had in 1968.
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Darla said:
Umm, under this criteria it is correct to state that all people earning minimum wage are children.

I'm surprised you can't see it is you playing the silly semantics. Not shocked mind you, just mildly surprised.
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I was not aware he had said 'all'... I saw him say 'the majority' and I saw him clarify his 'children' comment with 'high school and college kids'...
 
Superfreak said:
I was not aware he had said 'all'... I saw him say 'the majority' and I saw him clarify his 'children' comment with 'high school and college kids'...
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When a gop hack does it, it is "clarify".
When a lib does it it is moving the goal posts. Keep hacking, you are doing Super.
 
Bijou said:
Thom Hartmann: Pennsylvania Mayor Cuts Police and Firefighter Pay to Minimum Wage

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LMAO... "The Mayor says that his city is broke and, because he's unwilling to raise taxes on business or millionaires"

How many millionaires are there in Scranton?

As of the 2010 census[15], there were 76,089 people, 30,069 households, and 18,124 families residing in the city. The population density was 3,006/mi² (1,161/km²). There were 33,853 housing units at an average density of 1,342/mi² (518/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 84.11% White, 5.45% African American, 0.23% Native American, 2.98% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 4.69% from other races, and 2.49% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race make up 9.90% of the population.

There were 30,069 households out of which 24.4% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 39.8% were married couples living together, 13.8% had a female householder with no husband present, and 42.1% were non-families. The city had 36.7% of its households with single occupancy and 18.1% whose individuals was aged at least 65. The average household size was 2.29 and the average family size was 3.01.

The population's age is distributed with 20.8% under 18, 12.3% from 18 to 24, 25.5% from 25 to 44, 21.2% from 45 to 64, and 20.1% at least 65. The median age was 39. For every 100 females, there were 87.0 males. For every 100 females aged at least 18, there were 83.0 males.

The median income for a household in the city was $28,805, and the median income for a family was $41,642. Males had a median income of $30,829 versus $21,858 for females. The per capita income for the city was $16,174. Found below the poverty line are 15.0% of the population, 10.7% of families, 18.9% of those under age 18 and 12.0% of those at least age 65.

The local dialect of American English is "Northeast Pennsylvania English", at least for the older generations of Scranton residents.

As of the 2006 American Community Survey, the average family size is 2.95. Of the population that's 25 years old and over, 83.3% of them have graduated from High School. 18.7% of them have a Bachelor's degree or higher. In labor force (population 16 years and over), 57.6% of them work. The per capita income (in 2006 inflation-adjusted dollars) is $17,187.
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My guess would be... not that many...

If he were to raise taxes on the local businesses, how much do you think would pass on to the very people you are trying to protect? Do you think the businesses will all just take the hit themselves? Doubtful.
 
General Buck Turgidson said:
Yeah, but, like, somebody somewhere would actually say "college children" and not shorten it to "college kids" if they actually had the same meaning, but no one anywhere ever does. That's because while all children are kids, not all kids are children.
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Hilarious.... ROFLMAO

Also, too, the trouble you're having, SF, is that "child" and "children" have more than one meaning and you want to pretend PMP used "children" to mean one thing when its abundantly clear that he meant the other. So, like, he wasn't talking about a person's son or daughter of any age. He was talking about human beings below the age of of majority.
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Actually it is you that is pretending to know what he meant. He clarified later what he meant, yet you ignore the clarification and instead insist he meant what you want him to have meant.
 
j-mac said:
Except as usual, Thom Hartmann got it wrong....The mayor of Scranton is a, wait for it....





A DEMOCRAT.....Shhhhhh...Don't tell anyone. :)
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Where in the clip or text does Hartmann say the mayor is a Republican? Oh, wait...

And really - does it matter what party the mayor belongs to? There's no money to pay the workers. Gee, why's that?
 
Rune said:
When a gop hack does it, it is "clarify".
When a lib does it it is moving the goal posts. Keep hacking, you are doing Super.
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Why don't you show me where I stated any lib was 'moving the goal posts'???

OR are you just continually going to be a dipshit?
 
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