Raise The Minimum Wage!

Waterfart said:
It's a matter of balance, Dixie. You can increase the rate at which money transfers slightly, which is what we need now. Clearly, you can go to far with this. Raising the minimum wage by 5% or so is not going to suddenly produce 1000% a week inflation.
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It doesn't matter if it's a lot or a little, inflation still necessarily happens, it can't do anything else. Sure, if we raise MW a little, there won't be much inflation, but do we need to do anything to cause any inflation at this time? Especially something that we already know will not help or improve anything, and we also know, will kill jobs? NO... but here we have the Stupid Brigade, stubbornly refusing to budge, because their Marxist masters told them this was the issue to fight for today!
 
Waterfart said:
It's a matter of balance, Dixie. You can increase the rate at which money transfers slightly, which is what we need now. Clearly, you can go to far with this. Raising the minimum wage by 5% or so is not going to suddenly produce 1000% a week inflation.
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Most businesses right now are either frozen in wage, or if you are an outstanding employee you might get up to 3%. In the beginning of the thread we never got an answer to the most basic of what the wage should be raised to. Now you are saying 5% which is higher than most are getting regardless of their current wages now, and that would equate to about .39 cents.

Many businesses are not going to do one darned thing until after November now, they're waiting to see what happens in the election.
 
Dixie said:
Money has the same value to the employer as the employee. It therefore, makes the same amount of difference to each.
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You are confusing terms. Money has different psychological effects on those who have little of it compared to those who have much of it. If you give a hamburger to someone who's nearly starved to death, and also to someone who's just ate an all you can eat buffet, it's both the same amount of food and means a lot more to one than the other.

You want to view the employer as somehow not deserving of his profits which he gained from the efforts of the employee, and therefore, it is somehow justified that we take from the employer and give to the employee.
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Society put into place the system that allowed the employer to benefit as he did, it has the right to change the system when such a change is for the common good. If the employer disagrees, let him go live in the wild with the animals and see how succesful he is.

Now, what happens when we increase the "bottom rate" for labor, or "minimum wage" is that all lower-level income will precipitously increase, because that is the natural order of things... If Joe was making $7.25 and get's increased to $7.50, then Jim who makes $7.50 will demand $8.00... and so on. We can argue back and forth as to how much this would actually cause consumer prices to rise, or jobs to be lost.... but the bottom line is, it will ALWAYS be a negative effect. Regardless of how little or how much, is not the point. At this time, we don't need to be doing ANYTHING to cause a negative effect on business or hiring. If we were in a robust period of economic expansion, perhaps that would be an appropriate time to consider such a thing, because the negative effects would be inconsequential, and we could live with it. Right now, we can't live with what we have, we don't need to make things WORSE!
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It would have the effect of increasing the overall rate of money transfer in the economy, which is one thing the economy needs right. If we were in a robust period of economic expansion, then we wouldn't need such a measure, because the transfer of money would already be at a higher rate, and it would just further increase inflation. You live in an economic universe that's exactly the opposite of reality.
 
Mac and cheese said:
Most businesses blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah, blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah.
3% blah blah BLAH! Blah blah , I am an idiot, Blah blah.
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Damn, why didn't I see the South Carolina tag before. :facepalm: no wonder you are such a moron, but have no idea what a moron you are.
Tell ya what, go fuck yourself, and your sister/mama too.
 
j-mac said:
hmmmm....The China news, posts a story of the WHO, praising the Communist health system, as a great achievement of the socialist revolution....So we have a communist propaganda outlet, touting a socialist orientated organizations findings, of a communist State....

Ah well, it must be the truth...:roll:
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Interestingly enough, China doesn't have a system of universal healthcare.
 
Dixie said:
What you are building your stereotype around, is the false belief that people who live within their means have as much as they desire. If someone makes much less than me, but they've maxed out the credit cards, that's not MY fault, is it? They can't pay their bills because they weren't responsible with credit, and I can pay mine because I have been responsible and not over-extended myself... why do you think I should be punished for that, or that money doesn't mean as much to me? If I educated myself, and got a degree, and now make $100k a year, and my high school buddy dropped out and works at Burger King, why is his money more important to him than my money is to me?
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If you get your car stolen, clearly you were just too weak to protect your car, and the thief deserves it. Why should you come running and bitching to me, demanding my money to put him in prison? Why should we subsidize your weakness? Why is your property, than you were too weak and pathetic to protect, worth more than a responsible, strong person who was able to protect theirs? Clearly, the world would be a much better place if we did away with the justice system and let personal responsibility take it's place, and ended this subsidization of weakness.
 
Waterfart said:
You are confusing terms. Money has different psychological effects on those who have little of it compared to those who have much of it. If you give a hamburger to someone who's nearly starved to death, and also to someone who's just ate an all you can eat buffet, it's both the same amount of food and means a lot more to one than the other.
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Looks like it's YOU who is confusing terms... We were talking about "value of a dollar" not hamburgers, buffets, and who has and hasn't eaten.

Society put into place the system that allowed the employer to benefit as he did, it has the right to change the system when such a change is for the common good. If the employer disagrees, let him go live in the wild with the animals and see how succesful he is.
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Looks like many of them may have taken your advice... they certainly aren't creating new jobs! What's your next brilliant idea?

Society put into place, a CAPITALIST free market system, and it has worked to make America the most powerful and wealthy nation on the planet. Changing it to a Marxist Socialist state, is not going to benefit the common good, it will create the common BAD. In our capitalist system, the employer DOES benefit, and it may seem he benefits unfairly to you, but the employer takes all the risks with his own money, and suffers all the consequences if the business fails. For all intents and purposes, the employer is a gambler... Now, if Las Vegas passed a law that whenever a person hits a jackpot, all that money they won has to be divided up among those who haven't won... how many people would go there and gamble? My guess is, not very many... because what's the point of investing your own money, when the 'reward' will be confiscated and redistributed?

It would have the effect of increasing the overall rate of money transfer in the economy, which is one thing the economy needs right. If we were in a robust period of economic expansion, then we wouldn't need such a measure, because the transfer of money would already be at a higher rate, and it would just further increase inflation. You live in an economic universe that's exactly the opposite of reality.
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No, it would have the effect of creating inflation, because it always does and always will. And as evidenced by over 40 years of raising the minimum wage, it has YET to effectively transfer more wealth to the poor. You are supporting an idiotic idea, which will cause inflation and kill jobs, and won't do what you want it to do in the end.
 
Dixie said:
Stop sniffing, Howard, I'm not letting you hump my leg!

Hey j-mac, wait until you get them so wound up they start speaking in unintelligible gibberish! It's coming!
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this is kinda fun....Oh and looky here, one is blowing a gasket right now on cue, good call Dixie...

a couple of posts down...

Rube said:
Damn, why didn't I see the South Carolina tag before. no wonder you are such a moron, but have no idea what a moron you are.
Tell ya what, go fuck yourself, and your sister/mama too.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 
Waterfart said:
You are confusing terms. Money has different psychological effects on those who have little of it compared to those who have much of it. If you give a hamburger to someone who's nearly starved to death, and also to someone who's just ate an all you can eat buffet, it's both the same amount of food and means a lot more to one than the other.



Society put into place the system that allowed the employer to benefit as he did, it has the right to change the system when such a change is for the common good. If the employer disagrees, let him go live in the wild with the animals and see how succesful he is.



It would have the effect of increasing the overall rate of money transfer in the economy, which is one thing the economy needs right. If we were in a robust period of economic expansion, then we wouldn't need such a measure, because the transfer of money would already be at a higher rate, and it would just further increase inflation. You live in an economic universe that's exactly the opposite of reality.
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Giving a hamburger to someone who's almost starved to death, would be a terrible thing to do; because they would probably just throw it back up.
Bland soup would be better.
 
A public apology to christiefan915

I went back over the entire thread, and found that I was unfairly harsh. I apologize. It was Rune that has been the insufferable peckerhead since the beginning, and I shouldn't have knee jerked a response to you.

Sorry.
 
Rune said:
Since when is the minimum wage supposed to be a living wage?
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It isn't supposed to be one. Yet that is what you and other liberals are obsessing about... that we 'need' to raise it. WHY? If you acknowledge that the minimum wage is not supposed to be the never defined liberal 'living wage' then what are you arguing about?
 
Superfreak said:
It isn't supposed to be one. Yet that is what you and other liberals are obsessing about... that we 'need' to raise it. WHY? If you acknowledge that the minimum wage is not supposed to be the never defined liberal 'living wage' then what are you arguing about?
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Already answered. Please try to pay attention.

Rune said:
The "problem" (presumably poverty) will never be solved by one law.
The agony, the utter misery of some of the poorest of the working poor may be somewhat alleviated. That is the goal, and the only goal.

Now please, please show how the burden of an increased minimum wage has damaged the economy in the past.
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Note that my question, repeated in the post quoted here has still not been attempted by anyone.
 
Rune said:
Already answered. Please try to pay attention.

Note that my question, repeated in the post quoted here has still not been attempted by anyone.
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I think I am catching on to your tactic... You get into an argument and get totally pwned, then you spend the rest of the day flooding the board with personal insults, until the pwnage is several pages back, and then you pretend as if you made some profound and brilliant point that was never refuted!

Now please, please show how the burden of an increased minimum wage has damaged the economy in the past.

This has been addressed. I addressed it personally, in a reply to your question about how it raises pay rates across the board. You'll remember I edited my reply, because I misread your question. The proof that raising the minimum wage causes inflation in consumer prices, is the lack of money trees. The increase means more money has to be generated from some source, and the ONLY source, ultimately, is the consumer. Now... most people familiar with economic principles, will concede that inflation is "damaging" to any economy. To what degree and how much, can be debated, but ANY increase would cause SOME inflation, because there are not magic money trees.
 
dixie said:
I think I am catching on to your tactic... You get into an argument and get totally pwned, then you spend the rest of the day flooding the board with personal insults, until the pwnage is several pages back, and then you pretend as if you made some profound and brilliant point that was never refuted!

Now please, please show how the burden of an increased minimum wage has damaged the economy in the past.

This has been addressed. I addressed it personally, in a reply to your question about how it raises pay rates across the board. You'll remember I edited my reply, because I misread your question. The proof that raising the minimum wage causes inflation in consumer prices, is the lack of money trees. The increase means more money has to be generated from some source, and the ONLY source, ultimately, is the consumer. Now... most people familiar with economic principles, will concede that inflation is "damaging" to any economy. To what degree and how much, can be debated, but ANY increase would cause SOME inflation, because there are not magic money trees.
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Yes, yes dixie everything causes inflation, including your daily bloviating.

Now please, please show how the burden of an increased minimum wage has damaged the economy in the past.

Can you read? has damaged . Show the DAMAGE please.

Not tell me about it, show me the proof.
 
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