Quite Possibly the Most Offensive Law Passed in the U.S. in My Lifetime

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Seriously. This shit is fucked up:

This week, the Virginia state Legislature passed a bill that would require women to have an ultrasound before they may have an abortion. Because the great majority of abortions occur during the first 12 weeks, that means most women will be forced to have a transvaginal procedure, in which a probe is inserted into the vagina, and then moved around until an ultrasound image is produced. Since a proposed amendment to the bill—a provision that would have had the patient consent to this bodily intrusion or allowed the physician to opt not to do the vaginal ultrasound—failed on 64-34 vote, the law provides that women seeking an abortion in Virginia will be forcibly penetrated for no medical reason. I am not the first person to note that under any other set of facts, that would constitute rape under state law.

What’s more, a provision of the law that has received almost no media attention would ensure that a certification by the doctor that the patient either did or didn’t “avail herself of the opportunity” to view the ultrasound or listen to the fetal heartbeat will go into the woman’s medical record. Whether she wants it there or not. I guess they were all out of scarlet letters in Richmond.


This blows my mind. Read all about it here:


http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl..._penetrated_for_no_medical_reason.single.html
 
with the hugely unconsitutional laws that have been passed in the last 12 years, during both the Bush and Obama administrations, and you think THIS law is the most offensive?

Dung, your priorities are seriously flawed, dude.


Yes, I think this is the most offensive. Which laws do you think are more offensive any why?

I imagine that a law that required a doctor to probe every man's ass that wanted to buy a gun would probably rank up there on your list.
 
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Yes, I think this is the most offensive. Which laws do you think are more offensive any why?

I imagine that a law that required a doctor to probe every man's ass that wanted to buy a guy would probably rank up there on your list.

Yes, the law you mentioned is disgusting. But since Roe vs. Wade was during my lifetime, the legalized murder of kids gets my 'most disgusting law' award.

That said... could you explain the bolded above?
 
Yes, the law you mentioned is disgusting. But since Roe vs. Wade was during my lifetime, the legalized murder of kids gets my 'most disgusting law' award.

That said... could you explain the bolded above?

LMAO!!!!!! I know he meant gun but that is f'ing funny!!!
 
Yes, the law you mentioned is disgusting. But since Roe vs. Wade was during my lifetime, the legalized murder of kids gets my 'most disgusting law' award.

That said... could you explain the bolded above?

lmao...i didn't even see that until you bolded it

i wonder why dung made that "mistake"...some kind of freudian slip :D
 
We've had a spate of this crap here in Ohio too. The same Repelican dominated legislature that got handed its ass on SB#5 are trying to pass a heart beat Bill here in Ohio. They also want to ban abortions after 20 weeks (no exceptions), anoter to exclude abortion coverage under the new health care law, another tightening parental notification restrictions.

It's so nice to see Ohio Republicans are so focused on our economy.
 
Yes, the law you mentioned is disgusting. But since Roe vs. Wade was during my lifetime, the legalized murder of kids gets my 'most disgusting law' award.

That said... could you explain the bolded above?


To my recollection, STY believes the right to purchase a firearm is a right guaranteed by the Constitution. Well, the right to have an abortion in the first trimester is also guaranteed by the Constitution. Under this law, in order for a woman to exercise that constitutionally guaranteed right in Virginia, she must first be undergo a procedure whereby she is vaginally penetrated against her will. Imagine the outcry from STY and others if, in order to exercise their constitutionally guaranteed right to purchase a firearm, they must first be anally penetrated against their will.
 
To my recollection, STY believes the right to purchase a firearm is a right guaranteed by the Constitution.

It is, its called the second Amendment. Perhaps you should read it.

Well, the right to have an abortion in the first trimester is also guaranteed by the Constitution.

I am unfamiliar with the portion of the Constitution that covers first trimester abortions. Could you elaborate?

Under this law, in order for a woman to exercise that constitutionally guaranteed right in Virginia, she must first be undergo a procedure whereby she is vaginally penetrated against her will. Imagine the outcry from STY and others if, in order to exercise their constitutionally guaranteed right to purchase a firearm, they must first be anally penetrated against their will.

Ok... but what does a firearm purchase have to do with the bolded portion I asked you to clarify?
 
Seriously. This shit is fucked up:

This blows my mind. Read all about it here:
http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl..._penetrated_for_no_medical_reason.single.html

"the law provides that women seeking an abortion in Virginia will be forcibly penetrated"

Women seeking an abortion voluntarily allow their cervix to be penetrated and their unborn baby to be killed- but inserting an instrument into her vagina for the purpose of showing her her fetus, is rape? The law also provides her the ability to opt out of the ultrasound. I am not saying it is the wisest law- it is by far, not as egregious as the Slate article wishes to portray it. It is routine for doctors to encourage women to have a much more invasive procedure during the same gestation period. It's is called amniocentesis and it requires a needle be inserted through a woman's belly button- it can cause the loss of the child... women can also opt out of this procedure- and that info goes into their medical file as well.
 
Yes, I think this is the most offensive. Which laws do you think are more offensive any why?

I imagine that a law that required a doctor to probe every man's ass that wanted to buy a guy would probably rank up there on your list.

far overreaching laws are most certainly highly offensive, and it's not to say that the law in the OP shouldn't be up there, but seriously, from the patriot act to the NDAA, if you think that this ultrasound law is the most offensive to you, then your priorities are flawed.
 
with the hugely unconsitutional laws that have been passed in the last 12 years, during both the Bush and Obama administrations, and you think THIS law is the most offensive?

Dung, your priorities are seriously flawed, dude.

Which law that concerns you invades your person, literally?
 
"the law provides that women seeking an abortion in Virginia will be forcibly penetrated"

Women seeking an abortion voluntarily allow their cervix to be penetrated and their unborn baby to be killed- but inserting an instrument into her vagina for the purpose of showing her her fetus, is rape? The law also provides her the ability to opt out of the ultrasound. I am not saying it is the wisest law- it is by far, not as egregious as the Slate article wishes to portray it. It is routine for doctors to encourage women to have a much more invasive procedure during the same gestation period. It's is called amniocentesis and it requires a needle be inserted through a woman's belly button- it can cause the loss of the child... women can also opt out of this procedure- and that info goes into their medical file as well.


Yeah, that's sound rationale. Better yet, in all likelihood pregnant women have consented to someone penetrating them in the past so what's the big deal, right?

You're a disgrace.

And no, women cannot opt out of the procedure. They can elect not to look at the ultrasound images, but whether they do is placed in their medical record.
 
Virginia’s ultrasound bill: a major step forward for women and unborn children

"For Virginia pro-choicers who truly desire for abortion to be “safe, legal and rare” I implore you to look at ways to make that talking point a reality. This is a reasonable informed consent law that will not only serve Virginia’s women and unborn children well, but reflects well on Virginia as a place where choosing life is part of our culture."


Earlier this week, Virginia’s General Assembly passed a bill that would require a woman seeking an abortion to undergo a transvaginal ultrasound test before obtaining an early term abortion.

Opponents are outraged, as always, at the mere whiff of a shadow of a measure that promotes a culture of life. This time, they argue that it is too invasive, as the ultrasound requires penetration into the woman’s body through the vagina. Although I seriously doubt their concern is for women, I do share the concern. As a libertarian-minded conservative, I hate to see government requiring such procedures on Virginia’s women as Rachael Maddow put it.

However, I join republicans in supporting the measure for three important reasons.

First off, the Commonwealth isn’t simply requiring women to undergo this procedure on a whim. The state requires that health care providers follow certain regulations for any medical procedure. This will now become part of the medical procedure known as abortion. If a woman does not choose to have an abortion, she will not be required to have this medical test. To hear opponents speak, every Virginia women would have reason to fear. That isn’t the case. This is just another in a string of tests required by the Commonwealth before receiving an abortion.

Second, informed consent is very important. Virginia Democrats are calling on Governor McDonnell to allow women to have the power to opt-out of the test through refusing consent. In many ways, this goes against our medical culture. When we, as Americans, visit our local health care providers we like to know all of the facts before undergoing a procedure. In fact, if a doctor withholds important facts from you on a medical procedure, the doctor can be held civilly liable or worse. This test merely requires informed consent.

An ultrasound performed from outside of a mother-to-be at eight weeks, comes out looking very unclear. Seeing an unclear photo or not seeing one at all doesn’t truly give our women the necessary informed consent necessary to make a life altering decision. The problem is that the baby is not large enough for us to get an accurate ultrasound photo through the epidermis and uterus. However, an ultrasound photo taken from inside of the body is an amazing sight to behold. At eight weeks, you can see a perfectly formed baby with a face and extremities in the fetal position. It really is amazing.

Although the discomfort of the test to women should not be in any way dismissed or downplayed, this really is an important step in allowing mothers to be informed of the ramifications of the choice that they make. Hundreds of thousands of American women struggle with Post Abortion Stress Syndrome. For those who advocate the rights of women, their responsibility should not only be on extending the “right to choose” before the procedure, but should extend to ensuring that these women do not have to endure a decision for the rest of their lives that they did not truly understand.

Third, abortion proponents are being disingenuous when they argue that this is a restriction on a “woman’s right to choose.” In no way will a mother be forced to pay for this test, nor will any result make her abortion more difficult to procure. Roe and Casey are the law of the land and this bill comports with both as reasonable. Informed consent is the least we can do for many women that truly do not understand the irreversible decision they are about to make.

For Virginia pro-choicers who truly desire for abortion to be “safe, legal and rare” I implore you to look at ways to make that talking point a reality. This is a reasonable informed consent law that will not only serve Virginia’s women and unborn children well, but reflects well on Virginia as a place where choosing life is part of our culture.

Over the next few weeks we’ll tackle personhood here in Virginia.
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