Question for the mask experts

[Darth Omar]

I will. See, I want the economy to open faster, AND for more people to live. When more people where masks, both goals are possible - and we've seen that everywhere there has been more mask compliance.

And it happens to be the science of it, also. See, I'm not relying on an old dental assessment - I'm looking at the recommendations of MOST of the scientific community TODAY.

Who could be right on that....Darth "61" Omar, or most of the scientific/healthcare community? Hmmmmmmmm……..

Darth 9-2 Omar and I’ll put my record up against Fauci’s any day of the week.

It was a review of several peer reviewed studies. You realize that’s better than a single study or one two right? And it doesn’t matter if was done several years ago. Wait, that’s actually better, because there’s zero chance it’s been tainted by politics.

They concluded masks are useless in preventing the transmission of airborne pathogens. Not kind of good or maybe a tad a good.

Useless: they had zero effect on outcomes in tightly controlled experiments. Didn’t matter if they were worn or not. Same outcome every time.

All done clinical settings. Where it’s much easier to control [and limit] variables—let alone assumptions about human behavior in a large scale trial.

So good ahead and be obedient and wear your mask. Doesn’t matter to me—just spare me the lecture about it.

 

[Walt]

Why would he be contagious??? He's not sick!

People like you is why AIDS is still spreading.

 

[BartenderElite]

Darth 9-2 Omar and I’ll put my record up against Fauci’s any day of the week.

It was a review of several peer reviewed studies. You realize that’s better than a single study or one two right? And it doesn’t matter if was done several years ago. Wait, that’s actually better, because there’s zero chance it’s been tainted by politics.

They concluded masks are useless in preventing the transmission of airborne pathogens. Not kind of good or maybe a tad a good.

Useless: they had zero effect on outcomes in tightly controlled experiments. Didn’t matter if they were worn or not. Same outcome every time.

All done clinical settings. Where it’s much easier to control [and limit] variables—let alone assumptions about human behavior in a large scale trial.

So good ahead and be obedient and wear your mask. Doesn’t matter to me—just spare me the lecture about it.

It's a cherrypick, and you're trying to apply it to COVID-19. Meanwhile, you are ignoring 3 studies done on COVID-19 specifically, and also mounting actual evidence of success where there is more mask wearing compliance.

You're not 9-2. 61 was so wrong, it's hard to imagine most people trying to save face after that alone. And you're wrong on masks.

Seriously, you think YOU are right, and medical professionals from all over the world are wrong? There is some serious hubiris there.

 

[Walt]

Whether he gives a rat's ass about it or not has no bearing on whether or not he is infected with covid.

People who wear safety belts are less likely to get into accidents. They care enough to wear safety belts, so they care about other things.

Teflon does not care about protecting himself and others from getting Covid-19, which does have a bearing on whether he is infectious or not.

 

[gfm7175]

Wow, you are just delusional. So you put on a coat to reduce the heat of your body?

No. You put on a coat to reduce the coupling between your body and the outside air. Doing so will reduce heat. To reduce the heat of your body, committing suicide would be an option.

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Yes, it needs to flow... Heat IS the flow of thermal energy.

 

[Darth Omar]

I wonder why they call N95 masks used in healthcare as "surgical N95"?

Maybe a marketing thing who knows. Damn things are made in China, ask them.

Why do healthcare people wear N-95’s—and not surgical masks, when working with or around COVID patients? Back before Fauci and the CDC, pointlessly, knocked me off my job we were bitching about only having one N-95 a piece—because they were intended for single use *because masks aren’t supposed to go from one patient or setting to the next*.

Could it possibly be because surgical and cloth masks are useless lol? Stop being led by the nose by the ‘experts’ and start thinking for yourself.

 

[Micawber]

Actually, the same logic does apply. If there was any doubt in my mind about me being HIV positive, I would definitely use a condom. So lets say I gave CPR to someone who was HIV positive, I would use a condom with my wife, and get tested. I believe the time period for testing positive is 6 months, so I would wear a condom for a year, and then if I continued to test negative no longer need to wear a condom.

If I were to have sex with someone other than my wife (JUST A HYPOTHETICAL!!!), I would definitely wear a condom, because I would not know who she had sex with.

If we all followed that, and cleaning needles, we could reduce the transmission of HIV to a level where it would go extinct. There would still be some transmission, but it would not spread enough to continue to exist.

The same is true with Covid-19. The use of masks, testing, contact tracing, social distancing, etc. has allowed other countries to either eliminate or nearly eliminate Covid-19. America is becoming rare in our refusal to control the spread.

And that's because the leader of the dumb party has made noncompliance a symbol of support.
Republicans are hellbent of behaving stupidly in every way about everything. It's disgusting.

 

[Micawber]

.Stop being led by the nose by the ‘experts’ and start thinking for yourself.

Good idea. I think I'll start designing bridges using my law skills.

 

[gfm7175]

People who wear safety belts are less likely to get into accidents.

hahahahahahahahahaha wearing a seatbelt does absolutely NOTHING to reduce the risk of getting into an accident. hahahahahahahahaha

If I did signatures, I'd put this beauty in it...

They care enough to wear safety belts, so they care about other things.

Caring about "one thing" does not mean that someone also cares about "other things".

Divisional Error Fallacy. (right ITN? I think I've got the identification of this fallacy down now)

Teflon does not care about protecting himself and others from getting Covid-19, which does have a bearing on whether he is infectious or not.

There's no need to live your life in constant fear of a virus.

 

[Micawber]

N95s respirators regulated under product code MSH are class II medical devices exempt from 510(k) premarket notification, unless:

The respirator is intended to prevent specific diseases or infections, or
The respirator is labeled or otherwise represented as filtering surgical smoke or plumes, filtering specific amounts of viruses or bacteria, reducing the amount of and/or killing viruses, bacteria, or fungi, or affecting allergenicity, or
The respirator contains coating technologies unrelated to filtration (e.g., to reduce and or kill microorganisms).
The FDA has a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with CDC NIOSH which outlines the framework for coordination and collaboration between the FDA and NIOSH for regulation of this subset of N95 respirators.

For additional differences between surgical masks and N95 respirators, please see CDC’s infographic.


https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices...-respirators-surgical-masks-and-face-masks#s3

 

[Teflon Don]

Actually, the same logic does apply. If there was any doubt in my mind about me being HIV positive, I would definitely use a condom. So lets say I gave CPR to someone who was HIV positive, I would use a condom with my wife, and get tested. I believe the time period for testing positive is 6 months, so I would wear a condom for a year, and then if I continued to test negative no longer need to wear a condom.

If I were to have sex with someone other than my wife (JUST A HYPOTHETICAL!!!), I would definitely wear a condom, because I would not know who she had sex with.

If we all followed that, and cleaning needles, we could reduce the transmission of HIV to a level where it would go extinct. There would still be some transmission, but it would not spread enough to continue to exist.

The same is true with Covid-19. The use of masks, testing, contact tracing, social distancing, etc. has allowed other countries to either eliminate or nearly eliminate Covid-19. America is becoming rare in our refusal to control the spread.

But I know I dint have the vid so I am doing none of that. You will be ok if I don’t. Love the bullying tactics though

 

[BartenderElite]

Maybe a marketing thing who knows. Damn things are made in China, ask them.

Why do healthcare people wear N-95’s—and not surgical masks, when working with or around COVID patients? Back before Fauci and the CDC, pointlessly, knocked me off my job we were bitching about only having one N-95 a piece—because they were intended for single use *because masks aren’t supposed to go from one patient or setting to the next*.

Could it possibly be because surgical and cloth masks are useless lol? Stop being led by the nose by the ‘experts’ and start thinking for yourself.

I like experts. If I'm getting heart surgery, I prefer someone who has studied the topic, and who may even have a little experience. If I need a house built, I'd probably hire someone w/ some actual experience, ya know...building houses.

I know the current right-wing trend is to marginalize expertise, experience & knowledge. We've tried that a few times in human history, and the results have been less than stellar.

 

[Into the Night]

Wow, you are just delusional.

Argument of the stone fallacy. Bulverism fallacy.

So you put on a coat to reduce the heat of your body?

Yup. That's exactly what a coat (or any other thermal insulation) does.

What always amazes me is that the Alt Right thinks that millions of highly educated scientists worldwide can be outsmarted by them.

Buzzword (alt-right). You don't get to speak for scientists worldwide. You only get to speak for you. Bigotry.

I am beginning to see your mistake. Heat does not need to flow to be heat.

Yes. it does, otherwise there is no heat. Heat is the flow of thermal energy.

 

[Into the Night]

I wonder why they call N95 masks used in healthcare as "surgical N95"?

The 'surgical masks' are green or blue and are packaged in sterile packaging. That's all. They do not stop a virus.

 

[Into the Night]

Same here. Traffic flow in the Madison area is at a similar flow as ITN describes for the Seattle area. I miss the "almost zero" traffic flow in a way, since it was a much easier, quicker, and relaxing commute to work. But it's also nice to see people out and about again... The sad part is when I go shopping (in the Madison area anyway) most people wear a mask (I'm typically one of the few who doesn't). The sad part of it is the fear that has been instilled into them and them thinking that it's somehow stopping a virus. Outside of the Madison area, however, is a completely different story. Most people there are not wearing masks.

Well, at least in Washington, most people aren't wearing a mask, despite Inslee's order requiring them. Yeah, I kinda miss the open roads. Now I have to put with a lot of idiot drivers again.

 

[Into the Night]

Actually, the same logic does apply. If there was any doubt in my mind about me being HIV positive, I would definitely use a condom. So lets say I gave CPR to someone who was HIV positive, I would use a condom with my wife, and get tested. I believe the time period for testing positive is 6 months, so I would wear a condom for a year, and then if I continued to test negative no longer need to wear a condom.

If I were to have sex with someone other than my wife (JUST A HYPOTHETICAL!!!), I would definitely wear a condom, because I would not know who she had sex with.

If we all followed that, and cleaning needles, we could reduce the transmission of HIV to a level where it would go extinct. There would still be some transmission, but it would not spread enough to continue to exist.

The same is true with Covid-19. The use of masks, testing, contact tracing, social distancing, etc. has allowed other countries to either eliminate or nearly eliminate Covid-19. America is becoming rare in our refusal to control the spread.

Masks do not stop a virus. Base rate fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

The scientific community would disagree with you.

You don't get to speak for the 'scientific community'. You only get to speak for you. Science is not a community. It is a set of falsifiable theories.

I immediately knew you were wrong, because middle ages Western Europeans would use Latin, not Greek.

They used a whole variety of languages, dumbass.

The word epidemic was used in the medical sense by Hippocrates in his book "Epidemics". That was nearly 2,000 years before the Black Death.

Semantics fallacy. Less than 1% of the population is not a concern.

There is no cutoff for the number of deaths involved in an epidemic.

You are fear mongering.

An epidemic is about rapid, unexpected spreading.

There isn't any. Less than 1% of the population is infected.

If Covid-19 becomes seasonal, it would not be considered an epidemic.

Semantics fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

I wonder if Night thinks he is winning debates with his constant lying, or whether he is just trolling.

Void argument fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

People like you is why AIDS is still spreading.

I don't have AIDS either. I am not spreading AIDS or Covid19.

 

[Into the Night]

It's a cherrypick, and you're trying to apply it to COVID-19. Meanwhile, you are ignoring 3 studies done on COVID-19 specifically, and also mounting actual evidence of success where there is more mask wearing compliance.

You're not 9-2. 61 was so wrong, it's hard to imagine most people trying to save face after that alone. And you're wrong on masks.

Seriously, you think YOU are right, and medical professionals from all over the world are wrong? There is some serious hubiris there.

Bigotry. You don't get to speak for medical professionals from all over the world. You only get to speak for you. He is correct about masks. See the N95 specification. Masks do not stop a virus.