Question for the left on the debt ceiling

[Cancel 2018. 3]

blow me fag, this is a bullshit question riechwingers don't want spending cut

what do your obsession with hitler have to do with a question to democrats? are you so afraid for your party that no one can ask them questions without you referencing something about hitler mr. white supremacist?

 

[The Dude]

Yurtskin please see what Ronald Reagan had to say on raising the debt ceiling.
Also Yurt how much have repukes cut defense in the last decade.

Fucking hack

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I really only want to hear intelligent responses from those members that align themselves as Democrats, liberals, leftys....

Well actually its 3 questions:

1. If the GOP compromised and raised taxes would you support a cut, cap and balance approach? Meaning, more revenue would be coming in... but ALL of that revenue would be for deficit elimination and debt reduction.

2. If the GOP compromized and raised taxes would you support increasing spending... since more revenue would be available to spend...

3. If the GOP compromized and raised taxes would you support politicians in Washington, the Democratic Party, the left as a political entity, would you support THEM in efforts to establish some sort of cut, cap and balance approach, or would you think they were betraying their ideals and philosophy if they did not attempt to spend any additional revenues that would be created by tax increases?

SR

Well before I can give you an intelligent response.

#1. Define specifically what you mean by cut, cap and balance and by that I mean what gets cut, what gets capped and then how do you balance? The devil is in the details here.

#2. That depends on the circumstances and what the spending is for.

#3. That's just a reiteration of question #1. Please tell me what the specifics of cut, cap and balance are?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

that is funny shit, let me get this straight. Are you trying to sell the snake oil that republicans actually want to spend less in total?

No shit man! Good point. It certainly needs to be pointed out here that the vast amount of the deficit was from Republicans spending money like drunken sailors.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

David St. Hubbins,

Im not really looking to specifically define cut, cap and balance. Its sort of more you support an approach that would take away the ability of this congress and future congress's to spend or obligate the nation to something higher than 18% to 20% of GDP per fiscal budget, cut existing spending levels to reflect that and balance out budgets... basically it means sacrifice, even sacrifice for those Americans that pretty much are sustained entirely on Government entitlements and welfare.... or if you support more of a redistribution of wealth.. more revenue comes in.. you want to spend it on programs or entitlements, that deficit and debt can always be addressed through revenue increases... with somewhat less of a focus on how high those increases are, what % of GDP the government takes in, or what % of GDP reflects debt obligations etc...

Basically Im interested in seeing the majority opinion of the left members of the board in what they would support doing IF the GOP said "Fine, lets increase taxes on "these" Americans"... what would be the desired outcome the day after.

How can you expect an intelligent response on the topic of "cut, cap and balance" if you're not going to define just what exactly it is?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

David St. Hubbins,

um... no. its pretty clear. I clearly stated I have no desire to define it... its in "round abouts".

The answers are not complicated. Here are some examples:

1. No... if the GOP agreed to increase taxes I would not support using those revenue increases to service deficit reduction. (You in now way need to know %'s, specific details, nothing.. you either support the intent and the mindset or you dont, if you prefer to support some restriction thats fine, but there is no desire to debate details between restrictions... you either support SOME type of pull back and cutting or you dont)

2. Yes... if the GOP would increase taxes.. thats more to go around and more programs for us to create. (you in no way need to explain your outlook on the current fiscal situation of the United States.. you either support govt and its ability to spend for the good or you dont)

3. No.. I would not support any Democrats that jumped on board any type of plan that would in any way cut government spending or attempt to cut any type of entitlement or welfare program, the people that need these programs are the weakest among us and if we can get more revenues coming in, then at the very least i expect Democrats in congress to maintain the status quo.. (again.. whether or not you understand any of the specifics this is an honest answer about the expectation of your party and its leaders in what actions they should take and how they should approach the day after).


So.. maybe you could simply take a crack at answering the questions... these are clear and simpe questions that people, especially those of reasonable intelligence can understand.

Well I'm sorry then, if you're not willing to make an effort to define, objectively, the specifics of your hypothetical then there's no one here who can provide you with an intelligent response, mainly because your question is neither clear nor simple, they are vague and concern an issue that is extraordinarily complex.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

So you seem to be a Democrat or Liberal that is in favor somewhat of addressing some deficit reduction, some fiscal restraint, agreeable to some cutting of programs in the event that the GOP got on board with increasing tax revenues.

Thats cool... details on what to cut and how much are not what im looking for right now, clearly you express some desire to restrain and be fiscally smart about stuff with a revenue increase.

I think most of us are. I left the Republican party in large part from the sense of betrayal I felt at their utter failure to manage the fiscus responsibly and due to disastrous foreign policy decisions. I think it goes with out saying that for their to be a resolution to the national debt issue their will be shared pain and that, by definition, means both reductions in spending and increases in taxes.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

blow me fag, this is a bullshit question riechwingers don't want spending cut

Sadly I have to agree with you. I've not seen any political will what so ever from the political right (or left for that matter) who are in office to actually reduce spending. They only caught the religion of deficit and spending reduction when their asses got thrown out of office mainly for spending to damned much money and wrecking the economy. Now their deficit hawks. Where the hell were they during the 8 years that W drove us into the poor house?

 

[The Dude]

republicans right now are more about trying to make Obama look bad and have been since he got in.
Hopefully it blows up in thier faces.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Yurtskin please see what Ronald Reagan had to say on raising the debt ceiling.
Also Yurt how much have repukes cut defense in the last decade.

Fucking hack

what does that have to do with anything i said potthead? oh yeah, nothing, it is just a dem talking point that your lords told you to trot out...

tell me what biden said about the debt ceiling in the 80's....tell me what obama said on the debt ceiling in 06

yeah...you just proved you're the hack...lol

 

[The Dude]

what does that have to do with anything i said potthead? oh yeah, nothing, it is just a dem talking point that your lords told you to trot out...

tell me what biden said about the debt ceiling in the 80's....tell me what obama said on the debt ceiling in 06

yeah...you just proved you're the hack...lol

He yurtskin the pole smoker you want to keep getting owned by a potsmoker be my guest fag

 

[Bonestorm]

what does that have to do with anything i said potthead? oh yeah, nothing, it is just a dem talking point that your lords told you to trot out...

tell me what biden said about the debt ceiling in the 80's....tell me what obama said on the debt ceiling in 06

yeah...you just proved you're the hack...lol

The reality, Yurt, is that the out party always grandstands on the debt ceiling and the in party always says that it's necessary to increase it or lots of bad shit will happen. Then, the out party casts protest votes but never actually prevents it from being increased because it's insane not to increase it. Until now.

 

[The Dude]

Reagan raised it 18 times , Bush raised it 8 or so

Republicans had thier fingers in thier assholes in regards to spending cuts when the actual appropriations came up. Nothing but playing chicken with the American economy.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

The reality, Yurt, is that the out party always grandstands on the debt ceiling and the in party always says that it's necessary to increase it or lots of bad shit will happen. Then, the out party casts protest votes but never actually prevents it from being increased because it's insane not to increase it. Until now.

thanks for stating the obvious and of course defending obama..."until now"...meaning what?

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

He yurtskin the pole smoker you want to keep getting owned by a potsmoker be my guest fag

translation:

yurt just bent me over

 

[Bonestorm]

thanks for stating the obvious and of course defending obama..."until now"...meaning what?

I'm not defending anything. I'm just telling it like it is. And "until now" meaning now the Republicans are actually refusing to raise the debt ceiling as opposed to just grandstanding.

 

[The Dude]

translation:

yurt just bent me over

Only in the world of the internet lawyer

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Only in the world of the internet lawyer

you smoke too much weed bent over reefer head

you brought up reagan and run away from biden and obama...LOL

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

I'm not defending anything. I'm just telling it like it is. And "until now" meaning now the Republicans are actually refusing to raise the debt ceiling as opposed to just grandstanding.

all republicans? i was unaware of that....

i thought you brought up reagan the other day as a debate point...my bad

 

[The Dude]

you smoke too much weed bent over reefer head

you brought up reagan and run away from biden and obama...LOL

I fail to see the substance behind the bluff, when was the last time republicans cut one of their pet programs like defense. '
I never heard the clip from biden or Obama I did hear Reagan calling the cieling breakers fuckups which I agree with.