Question for New Yorkers (Trog, Darla, Lorax...)
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I've always liked him, he's a liberal dem in many ways, and he's also very innovative.
But...I read just yesterday something that I did not know, and that is that he was a big supporter of Joe Lieberman whom I personally wish could be executed (all legally and on the up and up of course), and he raised money for him in the 06 race. No one who supports Lieberman, whom I consider to be a dangerous maniac, who if he gets his way, is not even close to done with his killing, can get my support. So I am waiting to see more about that. Why did he support Lieberman? Does he agree with him on Iraq? Is he looking to get together with Joe and John and do a madman's rendtion of "bomb bomb bomb Iran"? I seriously doubt this, but I want to know more
But...I read just yesterday something that I did not know, and that is that he was a big supporter of Joe Lieberman whom I personally wish could be executed (all legally and on the up and up of course), and he raised money for him in the 06 race. No one who supports Lieberman, whom I consider to be a dangerous maniac, who if he gets his way, is not even close to done with his killing, can get my support. So I am waiting to see more about that. Why did he support Lieberman? Does he agree with him on Iraq? Is he looking to get together with Joe and John and do a madman's rendtion of "bomb bomb bomb Iran"? I seriously doubt this, but I want to know more
Interesting. I didn't know that about Lieberman either. That would give me pause. But from what I've read he's been very supportive of a lot of the communities within NY. And he's seemed pretty fair and balanced. I don't know......if the dems don't man-up and get us out of Iraq, I could easily be persuaded at this juncture.
Now if I find out he's pro-Iraq, fuggetaboutit.
Now if I find out he's pro-Iraq, fuggetaboutit.
I don't believe he is pro-Iraq, but I want to hear him talk about it. Maybe he and Joe were close buddies and he felt he owed him, who knows.
Oh, he has been a breath of fresh air after Rudy. You're close enough to here to know what that SOB was like. It was an amazing thing to see a mayor, after the police had shot and killed an unarmed black male, come out and say, we're going to find out exactly what happened here, so far I'm not happy with what I see, rather then "He smoked a joint when he was 15 and I'm unsealing his Juvie file so you can see that, he deserved to die!" You know, maybe less unarmed people will get shot, without the "It's all ok because a cop can shoot any unarmed black person they want to" attitude.
I just absolutely could not stand Rudy. I never bought that crap about him on 9/11 either. He walked around on the street, big deal. Sure, he looked good compared to the clown Patiki who finally got down there days later wearing a hardhat, and that other clown bush who was afraid to land his plane, but the fact is Rudy was on the streets that day because the moron put his emergency command center in the world trade center. AND, he was warned not to.
And I loved Bloomberg coming out two weeks ago and telling people who are so terrified of terrorist plots to "get a life". That was a direct shot across Rudy's bow, whose stock in trade is, terrorism, against his own people. Vote for me, or die!
I remember one particular point in time under Ghoulini in the mid-to late 90s when I was an undergrad. A hispanic boy (from the Bronx or Brooklyn) had been needled by some random wacko with an HIV + syringe. He had to have been under 5 years old. Anyway, it ran on the local news, people were appalled. No big grand stands from the cheating w hore. Shortly there after some rich white woman from Texas was robbed and probably hit upside the head and got a bump. Well guess who was out in the streets and in front of the camera for weeks on end talking about the inhumanity of it all and how he wanted to crack down on crime in the streets of NY? That always left a sour taste in my mouth.
That and making homelessness illegal in Manhattan.
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Yeah, what exactly did Rudy do on 9/11, that made him a hero?
You know what I think? It's a relative. Rudy's behavior, relative to Bush's on that day, made rudy look comparitively better. While bush was ducking for cover, flying around the country like a chicken with his head cut off, and ducking television cameras, Rudy at least got out there in front of the public and provided some information, and an air of calm.
BTW: I don't think I would mind Bloomberg. Isn't he basically a life-long Democrat?
I don't remember that particular incident, but that is him in a nutshell. He made all his appeals to white fear.
That homelessness thing was horrible. You know, the Catholic church wouldn't do crap about it either, but the Protestents, I remember one of their chaplans standing at the door of his church, and he refused to chase them away, and he said "this church is a sanctuary." That really made the Catholic church look great. Well, I think they are a political organization anyway. I think Rudy has to be the meanest, cruelest, craftiest, and most willing to violate civil rights (and in the R field, that is saying something) running. When I look at him, I fear, things could get worse, and that also, is saying something.
That's exactly what made him look good. He wasn't actually in hiding. I remember Sharpton saying somethign really funny about that, and shortly after 9/11 too. Something along the lines of, Rudy did what any clown could do, but in his special Sharpton way.
Yeah, Bloomberg is a life long Democrat.
You're absoluletly correct. I think one could write an entire thesis on political relativity in the wake of Dumya. He's made marginal to bad politicians seem like political Gods and lowered the standards for presidential candidates by 10 fold. Its a shame but whomever is elected next in US will still be a breath of fresh air compared to Bush. I'll be thinking, "Well, their better than Bush" which is akin to saying......"well, at least its not acid in my eyes"
I don't know Darla. I think we're at the end of barrel here. I can't imagine anyone being worse than Dumya......well, I can, but it involves genocide and the reintroductin of slavery.
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NO. he was once a Democrat, then changed to Republican to get a nomination for office, and now he has become independent.
For many years I have been changeing party affiliation to be able to vote in a particular primary, and the same thing may happen this time. It depends on who is running where., SO:
I can understand a fellow Citizen being displeased with a political party that actually campaigns as both republican, and Democrat , and most often in between. To that degree, he is my kind of guy. The only real difference in the parties, is the name they go by
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It's a sad truth that in America you have to have about 5 billion dollars to have any sort of independence from the party leaders. Bloomberg looks pretty good. I've voting for him if he runs and polls more than 20%.
I'd also like to apologize, like Lorax, for defending Guliani so long. It was wrong of me.
I'd also like to apologize, like Lorax, for defending Guliani so long. It was wrong of me.
FUCK THE POLICE
911 EVERY DAY
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...o_vote_for_bloomberg_as_third_party_candidate
He has 27% support, currently, and he's not well known. I suspect with his 500 million campaign he could garner a bit more. It depends on the situation. The greatest thing that would probably work for him would probably be Hillary running; she's such a divisive candidate that most of the Republicans would run for Bloomberg instead of risking the Republican.
I don't know his issues, though. I'll go check wikipedia, which knows all.
He has 27% support, currently, and he's not well known. I suspect with his 500 million campaign he could garner a bit more. It depends on the situation. The greatest thing that would probably work for him would probably be Hillary running; she's such a divisive candidate that most of the Republicans would run for Bloomberg instead of risking the Republican.
I don't know his issues, though. I'll go check wikipedia, which knows all.
FUCK THE POLICE
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg#Policies_as_mayor
1. OK, he supports gay marriage:
"My personal opinion is that anybody should be allowed to marry anybody. I don't happen to think we should put restrictions on who you should marry.... What the city doesn't want to have happen is people getting a marriage license and then six months, or one year later, or two years later, finding out it's meaningless,"
2. He supports smoking bans, which is irrelevant to federal government
3. He, of course, banned trans-fat, which means he may use the federal government more to handle health-related issues
4. He's, apparently, big on the enviroment:
On 23 May 2007 he announced that by 2012 all of the city's Yellow Cabs will be hybrid cars.[20] He has also proposed a plan for the city to adopt a traffic "congestion fee", based upon a system currently in effect in London and Singapore. Bloomberg contends this measure will reduce pollution and traffic congestion while raising revenue for the city.[21]
5. He's not big on immigration:
"It is as if we expect border control agents to do what a century of communism could not: Defeat the natural forces of supply and demand and defeat the natural human instinct for freedom and opportunity. You might as well sit on the beach and tell the tide not to come in."[22]
He also issued Executive Order 41 on 17 September 2003 which instructs city employees not to ask nor to disclose information about immigration status unless required by law or organizational mission.[23][24]
6. On crime, he's not a fascist like Guliani
7. He supports gun control... which is again irrelevant to the president
8. He raised taxes
9. He's big on economic development... which may or may not be relevant to federal government. They really don't handle much direct stimulation of business in the economy up there.
10. He's, apparently, pro-welfare. Poverty didn't increase or decrease in his term, though.
So, I guess that's pretty good all-around.
1. OK, he supports gay marriage:
"My personal opinion is that anybody should be allowed to marry anybody. I don't happen to think we should put restrictions on who you should marry.... What the city doesn't want to have happen is people getting a marriage license and then six months, or one year later, or two years later, finding out it's meaningless,"
2. He supports smoking bans, which is irrelevant to federal government
3. He, of course, banned trans-fat, which means he may use the federal government more to handle health-related issues
4. He's, apparently, big on the enviroment:
On 23 May 2007 he announced that by 2012 all of the city's Yellow Cabs will be hybrid cars.[20] He has also proposed a plan for the city to adopt a traffic "congestion fee", based upon a system currently in effect in London and Singapore. Bloomberg contends this measure will reduce pollution and traffic congestion while raising revenue for the city.[21]
5. He's not big on immigration:
"It is as if we expect border control agents to do what a century of communism could not: Defeat the natural forces of supply and demand and defeat the natural human instinct for freedom and opportunity. You might as well sit on the beach and tell the tide not to come in."[22]
He also issued Executive Order 41 on 17 September 2003 which instructs city employees not to ask nor to disclose information about immigration status unless required by law or organizational mission.[23][24]
6. On crime, he's not a fascist like Guliani
7. He supports gun control... which is again irrelevant to the president
8. He raised taxes
9. He's big on economic development... which may or may not be relevant to federal government. They really don't handle much direct stimulation of business in the economy up there.
10. He's, apparently, pro-welfare. Poverty didn't increase or decrease in his term, though.
So, I guess that's pretty good all-around.
Yeah it is. And when he increased taxes, the city was in a budget crisis. He had two choices, raise taxes or cut social services. I liked his decision.