Putin's own corruption made their army what it is today, weak and pathetic

reagansghost said:
Putin is 100% bluffing when he implies he'd use nuclear weapons.

On who, Ukraine? He's got tens of thousands of his own troops there for one, for two he knows he himself and Russia would be subject to a nuclear response, which would make rubble out his own assets, wouldn't matter how much stolen loot he still had..........he's talking through his ass
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That is what they are for...threats. Otherwise, you do not need them. You cannot be sane and use them. The cost to yourself is far too steep and the bombs are way too good.
Trump used them as a threat after he was told over and over they cannot actually be used. He wondered why have them if you won't use them? MADD was above Trump's mental level.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. Results count and the results are both surprising and illuminating how far the corruption has rotted Mother Russia's heart.

It's been 9 days and the Russians have barely advanced outside of the areas they controlled before attacking Ukraine on February 24th.
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There may be a problem with maintenance, or may have been. It is possible the soldier do not want to move forward.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world...-russian-military-convoy-hasnt-moved-for-days
 
Jack said:
--->Russia is walking through Ukraine unopposed.
NO OTHER COUNTRY is sending THEIR ARMY to FIGHT RUSSIANS.

So ... not real sure your Statement is*True.
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They are moving slower than would be expected. Kyiv is 80 miles from the border, and it has been 8 days... So they are advancing at 10 miles a day. They are nearly unopposed, so why so slow?
 
reagansghost said:
Those who have watched the evolution—or rather the deterioration—of Russia’s military and the defense-industrial base that supports it are pointing out that the poor performance of Moscow’s forces has been a process unfolding for years now.

Today “Russia has no more Kalibr missiles left in strategic reserve,” said a Ukrainian defense enterprise director familiar with the program, “but that is not the end of their troubles. The guidance system, the seeker head and other critical modules [in the missile’s front end] contain about 60% imported electronic components. None of these will be available after the long list of sanctions being imposed on Russia now, so it is hard to see where any new missiles would ever come from.” [...]

The Kalibr is not the only program in trouble. One Ukrainian intelligence officer tells Breaking Defense that there are “numerous shortages of [Russian] weapon systems. The famous KBM plant in Tula and other factories controlled by longtime Putin allies the Rothenberg brothers are unable to physically fulfil orders for infantry weapons and ammunition.

“Weapons that are officially on the books and should be available for delivery to active-duty units are missing and the next production runs will be complete only in three to four months,” the officer said. Even that estimate assumes that the raw material inputs have not been pilfered as well and are still available—if not, the time frame could be considerably longer.


................the end result? Equipment that breaks down at its most basic level. Tires are failing on Russian vehicles. The Rothenbergs and other arms manufacturers pilfer; the steel-, iron-, and component-manufacturers pilfer; the plant managers pilfer; the employees pilfer; the unit commanders pilfer; the supply officers pilfer; the soldiers pilfer. It’s a wonderful grift. Everyone benefits. Well, except when war is called. Suddenly, all that equipment that was supposedly in the field turns out to have been an illusion, long sold off for Italian villas and bottles of vodka. That’s likely why we haven’t seen much of a Russian Air Force in action. I bet they can’t even get their birds in the air.

https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/letter-from-kyiv-putins-war-on-ukraine-is-pozor-rossii/

meanwhile moon and annie can't cash their paychecks
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What a grievous tactical blunder on Putin's part. Now the Russian military's weaknesses are exposed for all to see. No wonder they've moved to block social media access in the country; wait till the citizens find out.

Maybe NATO should consider mustering troops along the border with Russia.
 
Nordberg said:
That is what they are for...threats. Otherwise, you do not need them. You cannot be sane and use them. The cost to yourself is far too steep and the bombs are way too good.
Trump used them as a threat after he was told over and over they cannot actually be used. He wondered why have them if you won't use them? MADD was above Trump's mental level.
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as of right now looks like Biden has his nuts in a vise, cornered like a rat.....believe more than ever this was Putin's final mistake, he finally jumped the shark
 
Walt said:
They are moving slower than would be expected. Kyiv is 80 miles from the border, and it has been 8 days... So they are advancing at 10 miles a day. They are nearly unopposed, so why so slow?
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I'm not in the Russian Command Center, but maybe Putin is more interested in eastern/southern Ukraine, the 'Russian-speaking' part.
Putin may be interested in cutting off Ukraine from the Black Sea. Controlling Dnieper River. And creating some strategic Path to Moldova?

Why hasn't Putin cut off Power & Water from Kyiv?
 
Walt said:
For some reason, they have been unable to get air and land forces into the area. It is not because Ukraine is a bigger country than Russia.
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Let me cut to the chase here. Putin wants a 'Buffer'. Wants 'Crimea'. Wants the 'Donbas'.
My view: Ukraine is cut in half, West Ukraine/East Ukraine. The Border being the Dnieper River.

Putin gets what he wants.

Kyiv, 80 miles from the Russian Border, ... pretty sure they can take that anytime they want to.
 
Walt said:
There may be a problem with maintenance, or may have been. It is possible the soldier do not want to move forward.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world...-russian-military-convoy-hasnt-moved-for-days
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An army is a system. Not just a bunch of dumb jocks like most non-military types consider it to be. Like any effective team, it relies upon good training, good leadership and good logistical support. The Russian army seems to be suffering on all three fronts. The Ukrainians shooting their generals only adds to the chaos. LOL
 
Dutch Uncle said:
An army is a system. Not just a bunch of dumb jocks like most non-military types consider it to be. Like any effective team, it relies upon good training, good leadership and good logistical support. The Russian army seems to be suffering on all three fronts. The Ukrainians shooting their generals only adds to the chaos. LOL
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And losing generals so early in the war, when the Russians are the much stronger force... There is something odd about this all.
 
reagansghost said:
Those who have watched the evolution—or rather the deterioration—of Russia’s military and the defense-industrial base that supports it are pointing out that the poor performance of Moscow’s forces has been a process unfolding for years now.

Today “Russia has no more Kalibr missiles left in strategic reserve,” said a Ukrainian defense enterprise director familiar with the program, “but that is not the end of their troubles. The guidance system, the seeker head and other critical modules [in the missile’s front end] contain about 60% imported electronic components. None of these will be available after the long list of sanctions being imposed on Russia now, so it is hard to see where any new missiles would ever come from.” [...]

The Kalibr is not the only program in trouble. One Ukrainian intelligence officer tells Breaking Defense that there are “numerous shortages of [Russian] weapon systems. The famous KBM plant in Tula and other factories controlled by longtime Putin allies the Rothenberg brothers are unable to physically fulfil orders for infantry weapons and ammunition.

“Weapons that are officially on the books and should be available for delivery to active-duty units are missing and the next production runs will be complete only in three to four months,” the officer said. Even that estimate assumes that the raw material inputs have not been pilfered as well and are still available—if not, the time frame could be considerably longer.


................the end result? Equipment that breaks down at its most basic level. Tires are failing on Russian vehicles. The Rothenbergs and other arms manufacturers pilfer; the steel-, iron-, and component-manufacturers pilfer; the plant managers pilfer; the employees pilfer; the unit commanders pilfer; the supply officers pilfer; the soldiers pilfer. It’s a wonderful grift. Everyone benefits. Well, except when war is called. Suddenly, all that equipment that was supposedly in the field turns out to have been an illusion, long sold off for Italian villas and bottles of vodka. That’s likely why we haven’t seen much of a Russian Air Force in action. I bet they can’t even get their birds in the air.

https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/letter-from-kyiv-putins-war-on-ukraine-is-pozor-rossii/

meanwhile moon and annie can't cash their paychecks
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Wrong. There are plenty of studies on the Russian army from the period under the Soviet Union to today, and they all conclude that the problems are something on-going and endemic to the Red / Soviet / Russian army. For instance, if you read Stumbling Colossus by Gantz,

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/86b8/5018b7f2ade4c6018b9910d88b289b0f5912.pdf

You come away with a picture of the Red Army in 1941 that is beset by incompetence, corruption, mediocrity, and sloth. This is nothing new to the Russians invading Ukraine.

However, don't underestimate the tenacity of the Russian Army. It will improve even if it has to kill 100,000 of its own troops to do it. Don't think for a second that Putin will stop trying to take Ukraine just because casualties are mounting.
 
Walt said:
And losing generals so early in the war, when the Russians are the much stronger force... There is something odd about this all.
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There could be a number of reasons, but none of them are good ones for the Russians. Putin has sent his army on a path of destruction with no ability to hold anything he takes and where he's certain to lose more soldiers.

Can the world expect to see the Russians finally stand up for themselves? Would Belarus free themselves too or remain puppets?
 
Jack said:
Let me cut to the chase here. Putin wants a 'Buffer'. Wants 'Crimea'. Wants the 'Donbas'.
My view: Ukraine is cut in half, West Ukraine/East Ukraine. The Border being the Dnieper River.

Putin gets what he wants.

Kyiv, 80 miles from the Russian Border, ... pretty sure they can take that anytime they want to.
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Putin has shattered the Russian economy with this bullshit. He's painted himself into a corner.. There is no win here for Putin. The only win for the Russian people is to take down Putin.

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