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http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/10/girl.fights/index.html?eref=rss_mostpopular

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Eight Florida teenagers -- six of them girls -- will be tried as adults and could be sentenced to life in prison for their alleged roles in the videotaped beating of another teen, the state attorney's office said Thursday.
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The sheriff's office relased the video of a 16-year-old being attacked by other girls.

The suspects, who range in age from 14 to 18, all face charges of kidnapping, which is a first-degree felony, and battery, said Chip Thullbery, a spokesman for the Polk County state attorney. Three of them are also charged with tampering with a witness.

Everyone involved in the case was under a gag order imposed by a judge. The only attorney for the teens who has been publicly identified did not return calls from CNN, and his assistant cited the gag order as the reason. The teens are scheduled for their first appearance in court Friday.

The video shows a brutal scene: The 16-year-old victim is punched, kneed and slapped by other girls. She huddles in the fetal position, or stands and screams at her attackers, but the assault continues. Authorities say the eight teens said they were retaliating for insults posted on the Internet by the attack victim.

Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd called the March 30 attack "animalistic."

"I've been involved in law enforcement for 35 years, and I've seen a lot of extremely violent events, but I've never seen children, 14 to 18 years of age, engage in this conduct for a 30-minute period of time and then make these video clips," he said. Police say the teens planned to post the video on YouTube. Video Watch the disturbing video »

The victim, a 16-year-old from Lakeland, Florida, was hospitalized, and still has blurred vision, hearing loss, and a swollen face, her mother told CNN on Wednesday.

The video shows only girls doing the beating; Judd said the boys acted as lookouts.

The idea of girls administering a vicious beating so they can post the video online may seem shocking, but it's becoming an increasingly common scenario, according to experts and news reports.

Another example was also in the news this week: A high school art teacher in Baltimore told police a female student beat her up last week, and a video of the attack was posted on YouTube, according to CNN affiliate WBAL.

A search for "girl fight" on YouTube gets thousands of results, and a suggestion to also try "girl fight at school, boy girl fight" and other search terms. There's at least one Web site devoted exclusively to videos of girls fighting.

In 2003, 25 percent of high school girls said they had been in a physical fight in the past year, according to a survey by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. (The figure for boys was 40.5 percent.)

A Justice Department report released in 2006 showed that by age 17, 21 percent of girls said they had assaulted someone with the intent to cause serious harm.

Frank Green is executive director of Keys to Safer Schools, a group that studies and tries to prevent school violence. He said he's not sure whether girls have actually become more violent, or whether there's just more awareness of their fights.

"In one respect, girls have always been more vicious than boys," Green said. "Their violence is of a personal nature." He said boys usually have some focus and a concrete goal when they fight. "But girls want to cause pain and make the other girl feel bad," he said.

Judd, the Polk County sheriff, said an important part of the plan in the Lakeland attack was to post the video of the beating on YouTube to humiliate and embarrass the victim.

"It's the next stage of cyberbullying," psychologist Susan Lipkins said. "They want to show what they're doing."

"Our kids are being peer pressured, in another sense of a trend, to put these shock videos out there at other peoples' expense," said Talisa Lindsay, the victim's mother. "And I hope that it doesn't come to the point where there's more people's lives that are being affected by having to take a beating for entertainment, or possibly being killed." Video Watch mother describe how the victim is doing »

The suspects didn't have a chance to post the video online before police moved in and seized it, Judd said. The Sheriff's Department made it public, and it wound up on YouTube anyway. Judd recognizes the irony.

"In a perverted sense, we were feeding into exactly what the kids wanted," he said. "But according to Florida law, [the video] is public record, and it's going to be in the public domain whether we agree with that or not."

Judd said the suspects showed no remorse when they were arrested and booked.

"They were laughing and joking about, 'I guess we won't get to go to the beach during spring break.' And one ... asked whether she could go to cheerleading practice," he said.
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Lipkins, the psychologist, says there's a "disconnect between their actions and their thoughts."

"They think the entire society is doing it, and they think it's funny. So they put it on YouTube. And I don't think they expect kids to get really hurt, and they also don't expect to get really caught."
 
this is a perfect example of how the deploration of corporal punishment by parents is affecting our kids. they face no real consequences as kids, therefore as they grow up, what do they care?
 
We are becoming a more violent society instead of more peaceful.

Any ideas why ?
My theory is that we don't teach children how to actually deal with negative emotions. Instead we have silly campaigns where kids sign anti-bullying literature and pledge to always be pacifists.

In the past there would be myriad ways to get out some of that aggression, ways that would not be considered evil or wrong. Dodge Ball probably would be one of the more obvious....

Those who were naturally competitive or aggressive would have their coaches telling them that it was not a bad thing to be, challenges would bring them into alignment with expression of their aggression and society.

Instead we try to nambify our entire society, to tell little boys they must act like little girls... or else.
 
My theory is that we don't teach children how to actually deal with negative emotions. Instead we have silly campaigns where kids sign anti-bullying literature and pledge to always be pacifists.

In the past there would be myriad ways to get out some of that aggression, ways that would not be considered evil or wrong. Dodge Ball probably would be one of the more obvious....

Those who were naturally competitive or aggressive would have their coaches telling them that it was not a bad thing to be, challenges would bring them into alignment with expression of their aggression and society.

Instead we try to nambify our entire society, to tell little boys they must act like little girls... or else.

That's all total bullshit.
 
Don't shit yourselves guys. This kind of stuff has happened all throughout human history, it's just now it actually gets out due to the web and video everywhere.
 
Could there possibly be feed over from the national hostility that has been going on since Clowntoon took office and cumulating in a lie led war fever where the children hear right wing pundits on TV ?

Violent video games ?

Violent movies ?

Lack of parential discipline or school disicipline. Heck I used to get my butt paddled and then again for it then my parents found out.

I think there is no one factor but several that all lead in the same direction.
 
Could there possibly be feed over from the national hostility that has been going on since Clowntoon took office and cumulating in a lie led war fever where the children hear right wing pundits on TV ?

Violent video games ?

Violent movies ?

Lack of parential discipline or school disicipline. Heck I used to get my butt paddled and then again for it then my parents found out.

I think there is no one factor but several that all lead in the same direction.

You know, back here in my state, kids used to murder each other for trying to register blacks to vote. So, I guess, there's actually been somewhat of an improvement.
 
h2o

did you see the one where a female student attacked a female teacher and the principal said that the teacher should not have used a disturbing word or phrase in the students presence and that excused the attack

at least until it too was posted on you tube

it seems that after decades of telling females that they were second class, the younger ones are revolting...in more ways than one
 
You guys are all right in your own way. This moral degradation of our nation is, in fact, the goal. Moral societies are hard to defeat, the people stick together for the collective...etc. By degrading our morality we are reduced to a bunch of individualist animals who cannot coordinate our activities in any unified or meaningful way.
 
That's all total bullshit.

No it's not. There should be more biff in schools, like I knew when I was in primary and high school. A good playground punch-up did wonders for morale. It left you ready to go back into class knowing that you didn't chicken out, even if you lost. A bit of blood on the face, hopefully a ripped shirt...you were a bloody hero. I loved it. There should be more of it.
 
You guys are all right in your own way. This moral degradation of our nation is, in fact, the goal. Moral societies are hard to defeat, the people stick together for the collective...etc. By degrading our morality we are reduced to a bunch of individualist animals who cannot coordinate our activities in any unified or meaningful way.

ahz

you mean like our society's need for instant gratification and the latest electronic toys
 
No it's not. There should be more biff in schools, like I knew when I was in primary and high school. A good playground punch-up did wonders for morale. It left you ready to go back into class knowing that you didn't chicken out, even if you lost. A bit of blood on the face, hopefully a ripped shirt...you were a bloody hero. I loved it. There should be more of it.

I've been in my share of fights, grade school included, but thats not what this was at all. This was an orchestrated gang beating.
 
It was a pack of little premadonna assholes who thought their shit did not stink. They thought for some damn reason they had the right to hit someoen because of what they said about them.

My Mom taught me long ago that "what you say about me is none of my business".

Its your words and your thoughts and have nothing to do with who I really am.


Someone needs to teach these kids a little philosophy instead of just telling them are beautiful and special.

I do agree with teaching them how to deal with negative emotions. They should be part of PE. Nothing like negative feelings being worked out on a punching bag with a few philosophical ideas added to the mix.
 
Has gone on forever, get a bunch of teenagers together and a fight often breaks out over jealousy, boy/girl friends, bad remarks, whatever we are still a primitive animal, give us another thousand years maybe.
 
And the only difference between this and 20.30,40 + years ago is that this recorded.

... this was done for the purpose of recording it. I hardly thing that reflects anything from 40 years ago. Forty years ago it would have been eight people beating a black dude and for entirely different reasons.

Though I don't believe this instance reflects any big truths or trends about modern society. It's just a stupid incident with stupid kids with poor parenting/supervision.
 
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