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reuters said it too.
Proud Boys leader Tarrio, 4 lieutenants charged with seditious conspiracy
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reuters said it too.
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Not always. What you are talking about is called Felony Murder in most places. It doesn't mean that if someone happens to die in the proximity of a crime you are a murderer, the death has to be caused by the actions of those involved in the crime. If I go into a bank to rob it for example, and somebody runs into the street in front of the bank and gets hit by a bus, that would not be felony murder... If I go into that same bank to rob it, and one of my accomplices shoots one of the folks in the bank I am as culpable as they are for the murder even if I never signed up for that.
I understand why an antisemitic supporter of a totalitarian federalist regime would say that, but I disagree.
Agreed. Hence, any plot to over throw the nation, the election or simply disrupt Congress through violence has to include the reasonable risk that some people will die, as they did. Five of them that day. However, one of them was shot as a terrorist broaching a final barrier to Congress. While it seems clear that Babbitt was just a Qanon nutjob the fact remains that those behind this plot had to expect people to be killed as a result.
Not a lawyer but logically this seems to mean that if it's proved there was a plot and there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a plot then all of those involved with the plot would be guilty of the results of that plot such as five deaths including the shooting of Ashli Babbitt.
Yeah, incidental death (like heart attacks) do not count. Nor would deaths elsewhere, like near the capital building. It isn't a thing you get to stretch over the entire city because some folks are doing something over there, while others are doing something in this building...
Ashli Babbit's death would not be felony murder for those who entered the building. You can't just say, "somebody died, therefore it is all their fault", it just doesn't work that way.
Now if they proved that the folks over "there" were purposefully creating a distraction and a death was directly caused by their action (one of them shot them) you'd have something. However there is no evidence linking the things and incidental death doesn't count. Anytime I drive I know someone somewhere will die, it does not mean that if I am speeding while someone dies nearby I am culpable for their death.
An interesting point since a case could be made that, due to age and physical fitness of the participants, deaths from heart attacks could be expected but such a mass of people would prevent medical assistance....as did happen.
Agreed deaths would have to be related to the plot.
Agreed on those who wandered in. I'm specifically addressing those involved in the plot to overthrow the election be they in the WH or in the militias.
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It cannot be argued, however, that is was murder. Those kind of things do not count, it has to be through direct action of someone who is also committing the crime. If you are robbing the bank and someone on the street has a heart attack it is not felony murder. Proximity does not make every single death their responsibility.
But it's not "on the street". If someone starts a riot in order to rob the bank and someone dies as a result of the riot, can they be charged with homicide since the events are connected?
<shrug> This is why I have that snot pile on iggy. The fuck cannot be serious.
Not for a heart attack that was just nearby. This is the issue. Someone who came to the capital on that day even if they are not part of the protest has a heart attack does not mean it was caused by the riot, this would not be felony murder. You simply cannot prove that their action caused the heart attack, no matter how much you may want to believe it was.
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not when an even more obvious cause of death is being shot by a cop.
you're a dumb retard.
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which never existed....
It's not a matter of causing the heart attack but having a reasonable expectation that people would die as a result.
Example; If there is a tape showing plotters asking about fatalities in the plot or several witnesses who say "Yes, he asked how many would die as a result", then is that not a chargeable offense of homicide when deaths occur?
Do NFL stadiums expect people to die at a game due to violence or insufficient medical service? Would someone plotting a coup expect fatalities to happen? If so, does this subject them to being held accountable for their actions?
Its possible that the organizers could be charged for Felony murder of the woman who was killed by the police.
Seems like she would be a co-conspirator, I don't believe I have ever seen folks charged with the death of someone participating in the crime when the death was directly caused by police action unless they were armed and actively shooting at police. That didn't happen in this case, it seems a huge stretch to even associate Ashli with the folks that "had a plan", can you prove her to be part of the ever ethereal conspiracy?
Anyway, from what I understand reading about Felony Murder in DC, to be charged with Felony murder specific crimes must be happening and all the folks must be participants in that specific crime.
Arson
Sexual battery
Robbery
Burglary
Kidnapping
Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult
Carjacking
Home-invasion robbery
Aggravated fleeing or eluding with serious bodily injury or death
Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person
Only one of these fit here. If the group of conspirators were actively shooting at police and the police shot Ashli, then they could be charged with felony murder.
Also not in Florida... the person committing the felony must do the killing.... You would have to prove that the cop who shot Ashli was part of the criminal conspiracy in order to charge the folks involved in the conspiracy with her death and that he intended to participate in the felony regardless of whether he intended to shoot somebody...
If you proved the cop that shot her had a significant role in the conspiracy, you'd have a point, but you really don't here.
Agreed it depends upon what DC law says on it but I'm certain it's damn close to your quote of Florida:
That's First Degree Murder, not just homicide such as third-degree or manslaughter. The plotters would be complete fucking morons to not think that people would die as a result of their actions.
Five died on 1/6. The DCPD has taken a huge psychological hit as a result. There's a lot of harm that was caused by actions of the plotters. Shouldn't they be held accountable for their actions? What happened to those who truly believed in personal accountability?
FWIW, the best outcome for the War in Ukraine is for the Russians to fix it themselves by capping Putin, completely withdrawing forces and offering immigration to any Ukrainian who wants to come with them. For 1/6, one positive outcome is for the WSEs betrayed by Trump to take their pound of flesh. It absolves the entire Republican Party once Trump is completely removed from the picture.
As a reference, notice the impact on the Democratic Party one the Clintons were O-U-T. While there are still the Clintonian die-hards, most Democrats seemed to have moved on. They couldn't move on if she was still around. It'll be the same for the Republicans with Trump.
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stfu retarded imbecile.