Proud American

I Love America said:
They are caucus rules. Caucuses are run by the parties.
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I never have sympathy for people who bitch about the primaries. They act like they have a right to partake in party affairs on their own terms, as if it was a general election. While the primary system has evolved to be more inclusive since about 1911, I still think voters feel much too entitled to the process. Especially independent voters.

That said, I love that the GOP system is more transparent and democratic than the Democratic system. Super Delegates are just the best, and those undisclosed totals in Iowa make me smile.
 
Celticguy said:
same rules apply to the real election ? I cant believe evince isnt screaming bloody murder over this gross violation of the constitution or something.

if I were bernie Id want Penn & Teller or the Amazing Randi to have a look at those 7 coins that got flipped and all went the same way. that stuff would get your hands put in a vice in vegas.
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Time for cons to start up Coingate!
 
Trump was saying before he had a strong ground game in Iowa. Now he's saying he had a week ground game. For a guy who's built his campaign around hiring the best and brightest if he was President better start doing that for himself.
 
christiefan915 said:
I can't remember how many votes the percentage bush got over Gore in the 2000 election but it's fair to call it a smidgen. Yet cons were quick to call it a win.

Better, cawacko? :D
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I'm laughing more at Desh claiming it's legal. Were there lawyers in Iowa stating who can claim victory or not? I mean politicians claim victory all the time even when they don't win if they do better than the polls predicted. Look at Rubio for instance.
 
Eno L. Camino said:
I never have sympathy for people who bitch about the primaries. They act like they have a right to partake in party affairs on their own terms, as if it was a general election. While the primary system has evolved to be more inclusive since about 1911, I still think voters feel much too entitled to the process. Especially independent voters.

That said, I love that the GOP system is more transparent and democratic than the Democratic system. Super Delegates are just the best, and those undisclosed totals in Iowa make me smile.
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Well the party bosses try to give the illusion that the people are in control.

I was watching the caucuses on PMSNBC and they were eavesdropping on a Sanders guy trying to convince some broad. It was dumb and dumber. That was when the broad dropped the F bomb on love TV

More and more I understand why the Founders excluded certain people from voting
 
Did Clinton win the Iowa caucuses thanks to coin flips?

Clinton won the Iowa caucuses by the equivalent of about four state delegates. If the anecdotal evidence of Clinton winning six coin flips is correct, she would have won six county delegates through coin flips (setting aside the fact that party records show Sanders also won six county delegates as a result of coin flips). There is not a one-to-one correlation between county delegates and state delegates, or to national convention delegates. Based on the party's delegate selection rules, a single county delegate represents a tiny fraction of a state convention delegate (the exact ratio is difficult to calculate because it varies from county to county).

Norm Sterzenbach, the former executive director of the Iowa Democratic Party who oversaw the party's 2008 and 2012 Iowa caucuses, told CNN: "I can say with almost absolutely certainty this election would not have been changed because of the coin flips. It would take a very large number of these to make that kind of impact, and one candidate would have to win them all. Our empirical evidence and anecdotal information shows that one candidate didn't win them all, and that coin flips are not that frequent."

Sterzenbach has worked with the Iowa caucuses since 2000. He is not aligned with any 2016 campaign, has not endorsed a candidate, and did not caucus for any 2016 candidate.
He says that four state delegate equivalents may seem like a small amount, but that it would take "a lot" of county delegates to amount to four state delegates. Sterzenbach said based on his recollection, there seemed to have been more instances of coin flips being held in 2008 than in 2016.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/02/politics/hillary-clinton-coin-flip-iowa-bernie-sanders/index.html
 
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