protesters attack Trump supporters outside rally

[cawacko]

Rana said it was wrong - she didn't say it was okay.

She's trying to downplay the event.

Chris Hayes, no righty to my knowledge, even tweeted this last night:

""This is despicable mob violence. Anyone and everyone who participated in assaults tonight needs to be identified and prosecuted.""


I didn't make a Zappa esque judgement of all people but I was watching the event live on TV. It was far more than Rana is trying to claim.

 

[Celticguy]

The Trump protester who was pelted with eggs was taunting the crowd, it was still wrong for them to pelt her, and another man who was attacked was protected by protesters from other protestors.

So if there were "good" protesters present waiting for the Trump event to end, why did they tolerate "bad" protesters who had obviously come come laden with things to assault the exiting rally attendees with ? Clearly they were either a very small percentage, okay with violence or characters cast to behave as good by whoever was footing the bill for the mob.
So, tell me, was it Move on or la Raza paying for this ?

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

She's trying to downplay the event.

Chris Hayes, no righty to my knowledge, even tweeted this last night:

""This is despicable mob violence. Anyone and everyone who participated in assaults tonight needs to be identified and prosecuted.""


I didn't make a Zappa esque judgement of all people but I was watching the event live on TV. It was far more than Rana is trying to claim.

I haven't seen it, but I hate any violence. The anti-Trump protests I've seen have been lowest common denominator stuff in large part (though there have been some legit protestors). A lot of "F Trump" and aggressiveness. It's a shame, because - as evidence by the OP and subsequent discussion - it gives everyone on "that side" a bad name.

But I do take some exception to the idea that lefties are just supposed to hop on threads like this and condemn the violence, particularly after the generalization that was attached to it.

 

[Phantasmal]

She's trying to downplay the event.

Chris Hayes, no righty to my knowledge, even tweeted this last night:

""This is despicable mob violence. Anyone and everyone who participated in assaults tonight needs to be identified and prosecuted.""


I didn't make a Zappa esque judgement of all people but I was watching the event live on TV. It was far more than Rana is trying to claim.

Good grief cawacko you have become a super asshole. I am I no way downplaying the violence, you are putting words into my mouth. The violence is disgusting and Sanders or Clinton or both need to address it.

 

[anatta]

I think alberquerque had guys walking over cop cars, some tear gas..Chicago I can't recall ( that was the one trump cancelled)

 

[cawacko]

I haven't seen it, but I hate any violence. The anti-Trump protests I've seen have been lowest common denominator stuff in large part (though there have been some legit protestors). A lot of "F Trump" and aggressiveness. It's a shame, because - as evidence by the OP and subsequent discussion - it gives everyone on "that side" a bad name.

But I do take some exception to the idea that lefties are just supposed to hop on threads like this and condemn the violence, particularly after the generalization that was attached to it.

This board would be a miserable experience if we had to renounce every post when someone on our 'side' did something bad. So no you don't need to respond to this thread to defend yourself or anyone else.. I just disagree with the attempt to downplay what happened as I was watching it and saw.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

The violence is deplorable, and most of the protestors really suck.

That said, when was the last time we saw this w/ a major candidate for POTUS? At some point, I don't think it's out of line at all to take a look at the candidate & the campaign, and say "hey...maybe there's a connection here."

Trump is divisive and thrives on being inflammatory. He sees America as separate, disparate groups - Mexicans, Muslims, Christians, women, losers, winners...whatever it is. Instead of focusing on what we have in common and what brings us together, he highlights the differences and blames them for our ills. It's all us against them for him, and if you're them, look out.

His supporters justify this by saying he's "not pc," but that is a complete perversion of what the term "politically correct" means and how it's applied. Trump isn't "not pc." He's a divisive demagogue, who just likes to insult people & create division.

 

[tsuke]

The violence is deplorable, and most of the protestors really suck.

That said, when was the last time we saw this w/ a major candidate for POTUS? At some point, I don't think it's out of line at all to take a look at the candidate & the campaign, and say "hey...maybe there's a connection here."

Trump is divisive and thrives on being inflammatory. He sees America as separate, disparate groups - Mexicans, Muslims, Christians, women, losers, winners...whatever it is. Instead of focusing on what we have in common and what brings us together, he highlights the differences and blames them for our ills. It's all us against them for him, and if you're them, look out.

His supporters justify this by saying he's "not pc," but that is a complete perversion of what the term "politically correct" means and how it's applied. Trump isn't "not pc." He's a divisive demagogue, who just likes to insult people & create division.

so basically your conclusion is that the protesters actions are trump's fault like the other libs here

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

This board would be a miserable experience if we had to renounce every post when someone on our 'side' did something bad. So no you don't need to respond to this thread to defend yourself or anyone else.. I just disagree with the attempt to downplay what happened as I was watching it and saw.

Well, just to be clear, it's not you who has that expectation of lefties just condemning or renouncing something like this. It's usually the more hardcore righties who seem to have no sense of irony about it when they say it.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

so basically your conclusion is that the protesters actions are trump's fault like the other libs here

It's interesting: why can't I bring up that connection, without it being so black & white & interpreted as me saying that all of it is "trump's fault"?

It reminds me of what it's like when I try to have an honest conversation about terrorism with someone on the right. Inevitably, the lazy argument pops up that all I'm saying is that "it's all America's fault." All that kind of thinking does is shut down discussion.

 

[cawacko]

The violence is deplorable, and most of the protestors really suck.

That said, when was the last time we saw this w/ a major candidate for POTUS? At some point, I don't think it's out of line at all to take a look at the candidate & the campaign, and say "hey...maybe there's a connection here."

Trump is divisive and thrives on being inflammatory. He sees America as separate, disparate groups - Mexicans, Muslims, Christians, women, losers, winners...whatever it is. Instead of focusing on what we have in common and what brings us together, he highlights the differences and blames them for our ills. It's all us against them for him, and if you're them, look out.

His supporters justify this by saying he's "not pc," but that is a complete perversion of what the term "politically correct" means and how it's applied. Trump isn't "not pc." He's a divisive demagogue, who just likes to insult people & create division.

He does seem to bring out the worst in people, I don't disagree.

What I hear and read from some of his supporters is that he's willing to stand up and fight where as people like McCain and Romney where just push overs (politically). Hillary's whole theme is I will fight for you. Some people like that in their politicians.

San Jose is a heavily Hispanic area. Trump's message is clearly not popular there.

 

[Phantasmal]

This board would be a miserable experience if we had to renounce every post when someone on our 'side' did something bad. So no you don't need to respond to this thread to defend yourself or anyone else.. I just disagree with the attempt to downplay what happened as I was watching it and saw.

Show me where I downplayed it, I was simply stating it wasn't all the protesters and that taunting the crowd did not justify the despicable behavior, the victim is not to blame for the bad actions of the violence against her. You chose to take it as if I was down playing it.

So fuck off

 

[Legion Troll]

I deplore this activity and unequivocally condemn it on all levels.

 

[cawacko]

Well, just to be clear, it's not you who has that expectation of lefties just condemning or renouncing something like this. It's usually the more hardcore righties who seem to have no sense of irony about it when they say it.

I understand. There are posters that engage in that from all political persuasions here (and not trying to say I'm above doing it myself).

If we so desired we could post hundreds of threads showing examples of hypocritical behavior from people on the right and left. At a certain point it's just nonsense

 

[cawacko]

Show me where I downplayed it, I was simply stating it wasn't all the protesters and that taunting the crowd did not justify the despicable behavior, the victim is not to blame for the bad actions of the violence against her. You chose to take it as if I was down playing it.

So fuck off

That's how your post looked to me. If you weren't then my apologies for taking it as such.

 

[anatta]

The violence is deplorable, and most of the protestors really suck.

That said, when was the last time we saw this w/ a major candidate for POTUS? At some point, I don't think it's out of line at all to take a look at the candidate & the campaign, and say "hey...maybe there's a connection here."

Trump is divisive and thrives on being inflammatory. He sees America as separate, disparate groups - Mexicans, Muslims, Christians, women, losers, winners...whatever it is. Instead of focusing on what we have in common and what brings us together, he highlights the differences and blames them for our ills. It's all us against them for him, and if you're them, look out.

His supporters justify this by saying he's "not pc," but that is a complete perversion of what the term "politically correct" means and how it's applied. Trump isn't "not pc." He's a divisive demagogue, who just likes to insult people & create division.

you say it's deplorable, and then you say why it's understandable. I
It's not acceptable.. There is a thing called free speech, there is no right to assemble with violence.

I could say much the same thing about Hillary "highliting the differences" - and I don't mean policy wise,I mean thru identity politics.
It's more subtle, so it sneaks by -but it's still us and them politics.

The last thing anyone wants is anything close to Chicago '68. I wasn't there, but I was politically aware.
If you think things are divisive now, wait till we have political riots..nobody wants that.
It could happen if the cops don't shut down this stuff now..

There cannot be any excuses ( tolerance) for political violence..settle it at the ballot box.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

you say it's deplorable, and then you say why it's understandable. .

Anatta, I did not say it's "understandable." Like I said before, that's the same BS I used to get when I'd talk about what motivated terrorists. It was impossible to have an honest discussion on that topic without someone saying that I was blaming America.

If there is a connection between Trump's rhetoric and what we're seeing, should we just ignore that, lest we be seen as justifying that? Why can't we have an honest discussion on that? It will never make sense to me. I don't know what people are afraid of.

It's not justifying anything to talk about the connection.

 

[anatta]

more wonderful tolerance from the intolerant left..

it's becoming way too common this election. It's excused as reactive to Trumps language.
Trying to shut down events -whether at college campuses or campaign rallies is anathema to American values.

And I don't see it happening from the right ,or I'd condemn it there to.

 

[anatta]

Anatta, I did not say it's "understandable." Like I said before, that's the same BS I used to get when I'd talk about what motivated terrorists. It was impossible to have an honest discussion on that topic without someone saying that I was blaming America.

If there is a connection between Trump's rhetoric and what we're seeing, should we just ignore that, lest we be seen as justifying that? Why can't we have an honest discussion on that? It will never make sense to me. I don't know what people are afraid of.

It's not justifying anything to talk about the connection.

are you claiming incitement to riot by Trump? If not there is no excuse for rushing the stage
or obnoxious protest to interrupt, or the guy in the Trump rally (for trump) that hit the protestor either..
it's VIOLENCE to SUPPRESS POLITICAL SPEECH

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

are you claiming incitement to riot by Trump?

No, and that's a vast oversimplification of what I said.

I'm talking about a connection, not a justification or excuse. Unless you think it's pure coincidence that we happen to be seeing violence at rallies for the most divisive, incendiary candidate we've had for high office in decades.

Is that what you're saying? Is that what you think?