Proposal to let noncitizens vote for SF school board resurrected

cawacko

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It's already been rejected twice by SF voters but hey, maybe the third times the charm. On top of this they want a proposal on the Nov. ballot to allow 16 and 17 years old to vote in the City. This is what our progressive Supervisors come up with (along with not allowing new housing development while complaining about a lack of affordable housing). Throw in that the California legislature is working on legislation to allow those in jail to vote...




Proposal to let noncitizens vote for SF school board resurrected



Supervisor Eric Mar has an idea that stands in stark contrast to the national discussion about deporting immigrants who don’t have legal status — he wants to let noncitizens vote in local school board elections.

On Tuesday, Mar proposed a charter amendment at the Board of Supervisors’ weekly meeting for the November ballot that would allow the noncitizen parents, legal guardians or caregivers of students 18 and younger who are enrolled in San Francisco public schools to vote in local school board elections, whether they have a green card or a visa or are living in the country without documentation.

The proposal resurrects two previous ballot measures. In 2004, voters narrowly rejected the same proposal by then-Supervisor Matt Gonzalez with 49 percent in favor and 51 percent opposed. An even larger margin of voters rejected it in 2010, with 46 percent in favor and 54 percent opposed. Assemblyman David Chiu proposed that measure when he was a supervisor.

The political context now is different, Mar said, pointing to a backlash to Republican presidential nominee’s Donald Trump’s anti-immigrant rhetoric. Trump has called for a ban on Muslims entering the country and, more recently, claimed that a federal judge overseeing a lawsuit against Trump University couldn’t be impartial because of his Mexican heritage. He has also vowed to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border and deport about 11 million immigrants without legal status.

“In the previous campaigns, it was a different climate,” Mar said. “With Donald Trump’s racist and anti-immigrant sentiments, there is a reaction from many of us who are disgusted by those politics. I think that’s going to ensure there is strong Latino turnout as well as other immigrant turnout.”


Legally defensible

Legal scholars said it is unclear whether such a measure would pass legal muster. That it has been on the ballot in previous years means the city attorney’s office believes the proposal is legally defensible because that office vets ballot measures proposed by supervisors.

There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution that prevents undocumented immigrants from voting, said Erwin Chemerinsky, law school dean at UC Irvine. The 14th Amendment says no person should be denied equal protection of the laws. The 15th Amendment prevents the government from denying a citizen the right to vote based on his race.

While voting rights have traditionally only been extended to citizens, Chemersinky said, “if the government wants to give voting to a larger group of people like noncitizens it can do so if it wants to” — at least under the U.S. Constitution.

But David Carrillo, director of the California Constitution Center at UC Berkeley School of Law, said the measure probably violates the state Constitution.

“The California Constitution limits the franchise to citizens,” Carrillo said in an email. “And the Legislature (which controls voter qualifications for statewide elections) has by statute limited voting to citizens. So even if it passes, this measure’s prospects in the courts are dubious.”

Done in other cities

While San Francisco would be the first California city to extend voting rights to noncitizens, it has been tried elsewhere in the United States. Seven jurisdictions have extended voting rights to noncitizens, said Ron Hayduk, a political science professor at Queens College of the City University of New York.

Six of them are in Maryland — all allow noncitizens the right to vote in local elections. The seventh municipality is Chicago, which allows noncitizens to vote for local school councils, a quasi-management body at each public school.

In 2013, a majority of New York City Council members voted to extend voting rights in local elections to noncitizens, but were stopped by then-City Council Speaker Christine Quinn and then-Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

“The idea of early voting is it builds civic education, expands political participation and helps incorporate immigrants,” Hayduk said. “Opponents say there is already a pathway to vote, which is to become a citizen.”

Mar’s measure needs six votes at the Board of Supervisors to get on the November ballot. If it makes it, it will join another charter amendment that seeks to extend the right to vote in local elections to 16- and 17-year-olds.


http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Proposal-to-let-noncitizens-vote-for-SF-school-7967016.php
 
Six of them are in Maryland — all allow noncitizens the right to vote in local elections
my home state has lost it's mind.
It's now more whacked out then SFran.

There are reasons for citizens only -they are vested in the fact they are citizens, and invested in the community as state/USA.
How do you let non-citizens vote that may have only a passing interest?
 
my home state has lost it's mind.
It's now more whacked out then SFran.

There are reasons for citizens only -they are vested in the fact they are citizens, and invested in the community as state/USA.
How do you let non-citizens vote that may have only a passing interest?

And let's be clear, this is about people here illegally not those with green cards. The claim is the parents will be more involved if they can vote for the school board. Liberal San Francisco has already voted this down twice. Yet these Supervisors keep pushing it.
 
And let's be clear, this is about people here illegally not those with green cards. The claim is the parents will be more involved if they can vote for the school board. Liberal San Francisco has already voted this down twice. Yet these Supervisors keep pushing it.
I missed that. I mean SF is a sanctuary city right? So immigration law doesn't really apply to them. they're special.
 
I missed that. I mean SF is a sanctuary city right? So immigration law doesn't really apply to them. they're special.

Yeah, we're a sanctuary City. I played golf with a local restaurant investor here recently and said the industry would shut down if they removed all the people working who are currently here illegally.
 
Yeah, we're a sanctuary City. I played golf with a local restaurant investor here recently and said the industry would shut down if they removed all the people working who are currently here illegally.

That's a shame. That would really be a blow to the tech boys. But now they want the vote. In the old days you could get a well-raised bitch to cook gourmet food for you. I feel for these guys. They are between a rock and a hard place.
 
That's a shame. That would really be a blow to the tech boys. But now they want the vote. In the old days you could get a well-raised bitch to cook gourmet food for you. I feel for these guys. They are between a rock and a hard place.

Tech boys? Tech industry loves immigration, they aren't backing Trump. Hell the tech people want the H1-B visas which is the one form of immigration many liberals seem to dislike.

San Francisco has been a restaurant town well before the tech industry took off. I don't know the percentage of workers back in the day that were non citizens. According to this investor there are a fairly good number today.
 
Tech boys? Tech industry loves immigration, they aren't backing Trump. Hell the tech people want the H1-B visas which is the one form of immigration many liberals seem to dislike.

San Francisco has been a restaurant town well before the tech industry took off. I don't know the percentage of workers back in the day that were non citizens. According to this investor there are a fairly good number today.

I made no claims about anything other than your post which isn't about Trump, it's about the twice-failed proposal to allow non-citizens to vote.
 
I made no claims about anything other than your post which isn't about Trump, it's about the twice-failed proposal to allow non-citizens to vote.

My post said nothing about tech boys. This has nothing to do with tech. Where did that come from?
 
my home state has lost it's mind.
It's now more whacked out then SFran.

There are reasons for citizens only -they are vested in the fact they are citizens, and invested in the community as state/USA.
How do you let non-citizens vote that may have only a passing interest?

20 state used to allow non-citizens to vote, actually.
 
Cawacko, are they against quality housing development or section eight housing development?

They're againt new (quality) housing development. This City has had an anti-development bent for a long time. Any new development these people do want must be deemed "affordable". So we're not talking section eight but good quality development completely subsidized by everyone else. These are long reads but they speak to the heart of the problem.


What's the Matter With San Francisco?

The city’s devastating affordability crisis has an unlikely villain—its famed progressive politics.


The city’s ideological progressives have exacerbated the problem:


Instead of forming a pro-growth coalition with business and labor, most of the San Francisco Left made an enduring alliance with home-owning NIMBYs. It became one of the peculiar features of San Francisco that exclusionary housing politics got labeled “progressive.” Over the years, these anti-development sentiments were translated into restrictive zoning, the most cumbersome planning and building approval process in the country, and all kinds of laws and rules that make it uniquely difficult, time-consuming, and expensive to add housing in San Francisco.


http://www.citylab.com/housing/2015/07/whats-the-matter-with-san-francisco/399506/


And The Atlantic wrote about this:


San Francisco's Self-Defeating Housing Activists


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-villain-thats-making-it-unaffordable/422091/


In that article they talk about tech workers being vilified even though they are a small percentage of the population here. But you notice even Darla made a snarky comment about tech workers in SF.
 
I read the atlantic article, it's interesting. First of all, I don't hate tech workers, or tech companies, or tech billionaires. I am snarky about them only up to the point of the maleness of the industry. I certainly don't cast them in evil plays, lol.

There's plenty of good for thee but not for me in leftist politics. And boy if this primary didn't teach me that, well I already knew, but talk about getting it slammed into your head like a brick wall over and over again....nothing will.
 
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