Propaganda vs Fact

anonymoose said:
Propganda is irrelevant in war. All that really counts is the end result.

So here are the facts to date.

Fact: Irrelevant as to why this war was started now. There is a war.

Fact: It’s obvious this hasn’t gone according to plan for the Russians at this point.

Fact: Ukrainians for the foreseeable future will hate Russia much like the Poles and Czechs etc do.
No matter what peace agreement may transpire this does not bode well for future Russian desires in Ukraine. Especially if the West helps rebuild Ukraine .

All for now.
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Fact, this all applies to what we did in the immoral war in Iraq. Except we killed quite a few more Iraqi’s as it currently stands.

I can understand from the Russians point of view why they are pointing out American hypocrisy.

Needless to say I stand with Ukraine. Wrong is wrong. What we did to Iraq was wrong and immoral and what the Russians are doing in Ukraine is wrong and immoral.

The Russians are right about U.S. hypocrisy.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
There is no hope for Japan....they will pay for what they did to China.

Justice Demands.
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What do you mean, no hope for Japan? Agreed , the Nikkei hasn’t been worth a shit for a long time but they’re a vibrant “western “ country. :dunno:
 
anonymoose said:
What do you mean, no hope for Japan? Agreed , the Nikkei hasn’t been worth a shit for a long time but they’re a vibrant “western “ country. :dunno:
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I mean that China has not forgotten, and revenge will be had.

The Japanese know what is coming.
 
moon said:
Like the Japanese and the Vietnamese hate America ?
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There are always problems between nations, but it is silly to say the Japanese hate Americans. The Vietnamese are mostly too young to remember the war, so have mostly moved on.
 
This is Russia's war of choice. Ukraine did not cause this. Nor did the US. Ukraine was leaning to the west to have better lives and opportunities. They were no military threat to Putin. They were a problem though. The looking for better lives, capitalism, and freedoms did threaten Russia. The Russian people went to Ukraine and saw the differences. So Putin stopped the phones and internet. They pounded Russian propaganda more than normal.
i do not know if Legion, moon and a few others are in Russia or working for them, but if they were, this is what it would look like.
 
Nordberg said:
This is Russia's war of choice. Ukraine did not cause this. Nor did the US. Ukraine was leaning to the west to have better lives and opportunities. They were no military threat to Putin. They were a problem though. The looking for better lives, capitalism, and freedoms did threaten Russia. The Russian people went to Ukraine and saw the differences. So Putin stopped the phones and internet. They pounded Russian propaganda more than normal.
i do not know if Legion, moon and a few others are in Russia or working for them, but if they were, this is what it would look like.
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You never mention the US coup that overthrew the elected, pro-Russian government. Why is that ?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
THey might end up convinced that the West set them up and lied to them.
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No, they are not that stupid. They were free, with a free press. Now Putin promised death,pain, suffering and government suppression. Russia will be even more hated and distrusted in the future.
 
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