Pres. Plugs Cowers as China moves Aircraft Carrier to coast of Taiwan

[Hawkeye10]

It's different, because it's China.

Russia, as we now know, is pretty weak - though they have nukes. China really isn't.

How do you think Biden & the world community should react to what China is doing?

They are effectively one nation now, and will be for a long time to come.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

It's different, because it's China.

Russia, as we now know, is pretty weak - though they have nukes. China really isn't.

How do you think Biden & the world community should react to what China is doing?

I'd say just ramp up business with Taiwan, both military sales and commercial. Force China to shit of get off the pot. If China reacts the way they have for centuries, they'll back down for the time being. While that isn't a final or long-term solution, it buys us time to get our own house in order and lets our allies build up their forces and economies.

 

[evince]

I'd say just ramp up business with Taiwan, both military sales and commercial. Force China to shit of get off the pot. If China reacts the way they have for centuries, they'll back down for the time being. While that isn't a final or long-term solution, it buys us time to get our own house in order and lets our allies build up their forces and economies.

Why didn’t Trump do that?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Why didn’t Trump do that?

Because China wasn't making noises about invading Taiwan when Trump was president. They probably figured he wouldn't hesitate to nuke them if they did. They could wait for a weak-assed, limp dick, senile, retard to be president and China got their wish!

 

[Bigdog]

They are effectively one nation now, and will be for a long time to come.

I think it will be more like Stalin and Hitler ...

"The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was a non-aggression pact signed in 1939 by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union shortly before World War II. In the pact, the two former enemies agreed to take no military action against each other for the next 10 years."

 

[Hawkeye10]

I think it will be more like Stalin and Hitler ...

"The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was a non-aggression pact signed in 1939 by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union shortly before World War II. In the pact, the two former enemies agreed to take no military action against each other for the next 10 years."

The Russians and the Chinese defeating the West and creating the new world order is like France and Germany founding the EU....except unlike the Germans the Chinese will not for one second pretend that this is a equal relationship.

 

[Hawkeye10]

That Germany and France are equal is one of so many lies that were told and cheats that were used to build the EU and NATO....which has a lot to do with why it is all crumbling to the ground now.

 

[Bigdog]

The Russians and the Chinese defeating the West and creating the new world order is like France and Germany founding the EU....except unlike the Germans the Chinese will not for one second pretend that this is a equal relationship.

Then Putin will play on the Chinese hubris, IMO.

 

[Bigdog]

That Germany and France are equal is one of so many lies that were told and cheats that were used to build the EU and NATO....which has a lot to do with why it is all crumbling to the ground now.

Can you be specific about the inequalities?

 

[Grokmaster]

Isn't the conservative take on the Ukraine largely that it's a local conflict, and that Biden is pushing us closer to world war by getting involved?

What should he be doing here?

Support China much? You and yours certainly did its bidding in the pandemic, and still refuse to blame them.

 

[BartenderElite]

Support China much? You and yours certainly did its bidding in the pandemic, and still refuse to blame them.

How did I do China's bidding? Please be specific.

And you didn't answer my question. Since you think inaction is "supporting China" - what kind of aggressive action are you recommending in this case?

 

[Hawkeye10]

Then Putin will play on the Chinese hubris, IMO.

The Russians and Chinese goals align far down the road, and they are now a natural fit....so long as the Chinese treat the Russians with respect as they currently are they will remain locked at the hip so long as the Russians dont get stupid, which I dont expect to see.

 

[Bigdog]

The Russians and Chinese goals align far down the road, and they are now a natural fit....so long as the Chinese treat the Russians with respect as they currently are they will remain locked at the hip so long as the Russians dont get stupid, which I dont expect to see.

Maybe I'm more cynical, Hawk. I see this as a no honor among thieves situation. That if one or the other gets the upper hand, they will stab the other in the back.

I find the idea that those two would want to share power equally once the U.S. is crushed, to be unrealistic. JMHO.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Maybe I'm more cynical, Hawk. I see this as a no honor among thieves situation. That if one or the other gets the upper hand, they will stab the other in the back.

I find the idea that those two would want to share power equally once the U.S. is crushed, to be unrealistic. JMHO.

As I have mentioned Russian and China establishing the new world order together, the post western world order, is like France and Germany setting up the new europe, without pretending to be equal as the Germans and the French did. France was always too weak to be equal to Germany, but they decided that pretending otherwise was a good idea. The Chinese are having none of that, the Russians are just going to have to get over any hurt feelings.

 

[Bigdog]

As I have mentioned Russian and China establishing the new world order together, the post western world order, is like France and Germany setting up the new europe, without pretending to be equal as the Germans and the French did. France was always too weak to be equal to Germany, but they decided that pretending otherwise was a good idea. The Chinese are having none of that, the Russians are just going to have to get over any hurt feelings.

France has nukes, Germany does not.
France has U.N. veto power. Germany does not.
France has energy independence. Germany does not.

What specifics do you have to support your inequality position?

 

[Hawkeye10]

France has nukes, Germany does not.
France has U.N. veto power. Germany does not.
France has energy independence. Germany does not.

What specifics do you have to support your inequality position?

I am not interested in arguing the point.