Prejudice and Hate against Gay and Trans people...

[Dutch Uncle]

I heard the shooter was trying to kill detainees. Is that correct.

Not sure about the motive yet or the targets. It appears the three people shot, two of whom died, were detainees.

Off hand, I think the shooter was simply shooting up the office and didn't care who was hit inside. If he wanted to shoot detainees, he could have gone to a Home Depot parking lot. /sarcasm

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There are plenty of incidences that right wing extremist have used hateful rhetoric and violence to get their point across, and can you say the same for the left????????????????

Like the Orange Jesus himself.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

By that logic if Democrats call Republicans fascists or Nazis or racists and someone reacts with violence, we should blame the rhetoric too. Does that standard apply both ways?

Yes, it works both ways. Is that what MAGAts are saying? Are they admitting the hateful rhetoric coming from their Orange Jesus?

 

[Phantasmal]

Not sure about the motive yet or the targets. It appears the three people shot, two of whom died, were detainees.

Off hand, I think the shooter was simply shooting up the office and didn't care who was hit inside. If he wanted to shoot detainees, he could have gone to a Home Depot parking lot. /sarcasm

Thanks, it sounds like he’s a bad shot.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Thanks, it sounds like he’s a bad shot.

Most nutjobs are. Tyler Robinson was an exception....or just lucky.

 

[Jarod]

Simply speaking one's negative opinion of alphabet people does not amount to prejudice and hate against them IMO. It depends on the level and frequency of the speech that can push it into the levels of hate and prejudice.

Someone who constantly rails against them and demonizes them might legitimately be seen as promoting prejudice and hate.

But you have to also ask the reverse question... is the constant loud and in-our-face nature of the alphabet people's openness about their lifestyle partly to blame for the backlash against them?

Doing things like repeatedly and illegally repainting rainbow colors on a public crosswalk that the state authorities had painted over citing a law regarding uniformity of public crosswalks? Crowding on the corner holding signs and shouting at traffic, making a spectacle of themselves?

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Of course they'll say they have the right to express themselves.

Fine.

But so do those who don't like what the alphabet people represent.

Same with blacks and any other subset of American culture including white, pro-Confederacy, supremacy groups.

Everyone has the right to advocate for their group or cause, as long as they don't openly call for violence against those who oppose them.

Personally, I don't think that prejudice and hate against alphabet people and black people manifests itself to any significant degree such that it can be considered a serious problem in the country.

Political violence is more of an issue than race or gender lifestyle violence.

As far as labeling whites as "oppressors" of blacks, just stop.

That's the kind of rhetorical nonsense that keeps the conflict going.

There are no "white oppressors" or "oppressed blacks" in this country.

You are talking about rights, and you are correct about rights, everyone can express who they are. Painting the streets when its illegal is a crime and should not be done.

IN the context of my post, and maybe I was not clear, I was discussing historical oppression of black people by white people.

 

[Jarod]

Fair enough, I get that you’re not excusing violence. If rhetoric can incite violence then we should be consistent about it no matter which side it comes from. Otherwise it comes across as only calling it out when opponents do it.

I agree with that. IN this instance it was the Right.

 

[Jarod]

what Kirk was doing is exactly how a democracy should operate though.

trying to stop people from expressing views by shouting taboo labels at them is not in any way the same.

Yes, but it is not government suppressing free speech.

 

[Jarod]

Most nutjobs are. Tyler Robinson was an exception....or just lucky.

Thanks to his MAGA parents.

 

[QP!]

what Kirk was doing is exactly how a democracy should operate though.

trying to stop people from expressing views by shouting taboo labels at them is not in any way the same.

I am not a free speech absolutist, and i think most of the "free" world has a better approach to it than America does but that is an opinion that can be debated.

There is a reason why 'yelling fire in a theater' is not protected free speech in America or most of the world and that is because you draw a pretty clear line between that and the action that follows, such as deaths in a stampede of people.

Similarly i also think the type of hate Charlie Kirk and other magats push out day in and day out, lead to a pretty clear line when either magats go kill perceived enemies on the left, or someone on the left kills a magat.

And while i agree with those who say 'mental illness is often present', that to me does not excuse the person using their platform to push non stop hate, in the way Charlie Kirk did.

 

[volsrocks]

I heard the shooter was trying to kill detainees. Is that correct.

Nope

He was shooting at a ICE Van operated by ICE agents

The illegals were collateral damage...unless the Van was made of glass he couldn't have known who was in the back... he fired numerous rounds at the entire ICE facility, many of which penetrated the building walls and of course the Van...ICE WAS THE TARGET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[zymurgy]

I heard the shooter was trying to kill detainees. Is that correct.

I heard you suffer from confirmation bias, is that true?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Thanks to his MAGA parents.

God bless America!