Prejudice and Hate against Gay and Trans people...

[Jarod]

When Black Americans chose violence against White oppressors, they still committed a crime, we saw what why it happened. The black person was pushed to terrible, criminal action.

When Kirk spouted about Gay and Trans people, somehow Conservatives are saying it was the gayness or Transexual livestyle that pushed the horriable Criminal Action.

Now don't go insane saying I am comparing slavery to what Kirk said about Gay and Trans people, because I am not, but there is a parallel here. And don't go insane crybaby saying I condone violence, because I do not.

I can often see where societal pressures push people to violence.

 

[AProudLefty]

When Black Americans chose violence against White oppressors, they still committed a crime, we saw what why it happened. The black person was pushed to terrible, criminal action.

When Kirk spouted about Gay and Trans people, somehow Conservatives are saying it was the gayness or Transexual livestyle that pushed the horriable Criminal Action.

Now don't go insance saying I am comparing slavery to what Kirk said about Gay and Trans people, because I am not, but there is a parallel here. And don't go insane crybaby saying I condone violence, because I do not.

I can often see where societal pressures push people to violence.

That's a possibility. Bullying can and do lead to suicide and violence. We've seen that with Columbine High School.

 

[Jarod]

That's a possibility. Bullying can and do lead to suicide and violence. We've seen that with Columbine High School.

It does not excuse the action the victim of bullying took, but it explains it. Sometimes people do terrible things and the motive is unknown, but sometimes we are able to understand why.

 

[cawacko]

When Black Americans chose violence against White oppressors, they still committed a crime, we saw what why it happened. The black person was pushed to terrible, criminal action.

When Kirk spouted about Gay and Trans people, somehow Conservatives are saying it was the gayness or Transexual livestyle that pushed the horriable Criminal Action.

Now don't go insance saying I am comparing slavery to what Kirk said about Gay and Trans people, because I am not, but there is a parallel here. And don't go insane crybaby saying I condone violence, because I do not.

I can often see where societal pressures push people to violence.

By that logic if Democrats call Republicans fascists or Nazis or racists and someone reacts with violence, we should blame the rhetoric too. Does that standard apply both ways?

 

[Jarod]

By that logic if Democrats call Republicans fascists or Nazis or racists and someone reacts with violence, we should blame the rhetoric too. Does that standard apply both ways?

We can understand the reason, does not make it OK.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

That's a possibility. Bullying can and do lead to suicide and violence. We've seen that with Columbine High School.

Agreed on the results. Usually suicide rather than murder, but most mass murders often end in suicide which tells me the problem is a mental health issue.

The Dallas ICE shooting today involved two murders and suicide of the shooter.

 

[AProudLefty]

The Dallas ICE shooting today involved two murders and suicide of the shooter.

There is a possibly that it was a cartel hit.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There is a possibly that it was a cartel hit.

Why would the cartel shoot detainees and then commit suicide? Looks more like a nutjob to me....a MAGA moron.

 

[AProudLefty]

Why would the cartel shoot detainees and then commit suicide? Looks more like a nutjob to me....a MAGA moron.

Probably.

 

[zymurgy]

We can understand the reason, does not make it OK.

what Kirk was doing is exactly how a democracy should operate though.

trying to stop people from expressing views by shouting taboo labels at them is not in any way the same.

 

[cawacko]

We can understand the reason, does not make it OK.

So I understand clearly, that sounds a little different from what you said earlier. First you tied the violence directly to rhetoric, now you’re saying it can be understood without being OK. Which is it? Are we blaming rhetoric, or just saying context exists?

 

[Jarod]

So I understand clearly, that sounds a little different from what you said earlier. First you tied the violence directly to rhetoric, now you’re saying it can be understood without being OK. Which is it? Are we blaming rhetoric, or just saying context exists?

I never said violence was ok, I do think rhetoric can incite violence. Blame is not an appropriate word, because there are other factors equally as important that lead to the violence.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

So I understand clearly, that sounds a little different from what you said earlier. First you tied the violence directly to rhetoric, now you’re saying it can be understood without being OK. Which is it? Are we blaming rhetoric, or just saying context exists?

Understanding is not the same as condoning.

Example, I understand why Tyler Robinson was upset about the attacks on transpeople but I don't condone hurting others over it much less committing murder.

 

[Jarod]

Understanding is not the same as condoning.

Example, I understand why Tyler Robinson was upset about the attacks on transpeople but I don't condone hurting others over it much less committing murder.

People often confuse that.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

People often confuse that.

Agreed. Mostly the MAGA morons, but also the gun-banning left. In short, political extremists only see what they want to see. Sad.

 

[Nomad]

When Black Americans chose violence against White oppressors, they still committed a crime, we saw what why it happened. The black person was pushed to terrible, criminal action.

When Kirk spouted about Gay and Trans people, somehow Conservatives are saying it was the gayness or Transexual livestyle that pushed the horriable Criminal Action.

Now don't go insance saying I am comparing slavery to what Kirk said about Gay and Trans people, because I am not, but there is a parallel here. And don't go insane crybaby saying I condone violence, because I do not.

I can often see where societal pressures push people to violence.

Simply speaking one's negative opinion of alphabet people does not amount to prejudice and hate against them IMO. It depends on the level and frequency of the speech that can push it into the levels of hate and prejudice.

Someone who constantly rails against them and demonizes them might legitimately be seen as promoting prejudice and hate.

But you have to also ask the reverse question... is the constant loud and in-our-face nature of the alphabet people's openness about their lifestyle partly to blame for the backlash against them?

Doing things like repeatedly and illegally repainting rainbow colors on a public crosswalk that the state authorities had painted over citing a law regarding uniformity of public crosswalks? Crowding on the corner holding signs and shouting at traffic, making a spectacle of themselves?



Of course they'll say they have the right to express themselves.

Fine.

But so do those who don't like what the alphabet people represent.

Same with blacks and any other subset of American culture including white, pro-Confederacy, supremacy groups.

Everyone has the right to advocate for their group or cause, as long as they don't openly call for violence against those who oppose them.

Personally, I don't think that prejudice and hate against alphabet people and black people manifests itself to any significant degree such that it can be considered a serious problem in the country.

Political violence is more of an issue than race or gender lifestyle violence.

As far as labeling whites as "oppressors" of blacks, just stop.

That's the kind of rhetorical nonsense that keeps the conflict going.

There are no "white oppressors" or "oppressed blacks" in this country.

 

[Noking]

By that logic if Democrats call Republicans fascists or Nazis or racists and someone reacts with violence, we should blame the rhetoric too. Does that standard apply both ways?

There are plenty of incidences that right wing extremist have used hateful rhetoric and violence to get their point across, and can you say the same for the left????????????????

 

[cawacko]

I never said violence was ok, I do think rhetoric can incite violence. Blame is not an appropriate word, because there are other factors equally as important that lead to the violence.

Fair enough, I get that you’re not excusing violence. If rhetoric can incite violence then we should be consistent about it no matter which side it comes from. Otherwise it comes across as only calling it out when opponents do it.

 

[Phantasmal]

Agreed on the results. Usually suicide rather than murder, but most mass murders often end in suicide which tells me the problem is a mental health issue.

The Dallas ICE shooting today involved two murders and suicide of the shooter.

I heard the shooter was trying to kill detainees. Is that correct.

 

[AProudLefty]

I heard the shooter was trying to kill detainees. Is that correct.

The ICE officers weren't injured.