Prediction?

You are missing the point, I think. Every man is worthy of his hire. The value of a 'job' rests in the columns of an accountant's spreadsheet. If there is a menial task to be done then who will perform it? Will you flip burgers? Will you sweep streets? No? Then we must pay someone a fair price to do it for us ... or do the job yourself.

A 16 year old holiday worker who quite clearly does not have a family (one would hope) and is working for pin money and the opportunity of improving his education would be exempt, but society must help that child and all children who need help to fulfill their lives if necessary.

No problem with that.

But a mature individual who is expected to comply with all of society's norms, must be paid fairly for his labours. The alternative would be to dehumanise him (or her) and consign him to life's scrap heap. How far from there to a modern version of the gas chamber?

The value to society of a cleaner or a burger flipper is frequently greater than that of people who are many times better off simply by dint of being born rich.
The value of a job is what it adds to the economy. The idea that low-skilled labor is somehow demeaning only comes from mindless liberals as yourself, with your bullshit of superiority and inferiority. It is this kind of touchy-feely, teary-eyed nonsense that has filled people with the "I ain't gonna do THAT!" work ethic that is tearing apart economies world wide as employers find it expedient to export their labor to other countries where the liberal "I demand more than I put in just because I exist" has yet to take root.

YOU are the one who misses the point, and misses it by about twice the width of your homelands. The point is things have value. Though value is relative (or trade could not work) it is not completely devoid of any kind of structure. If a person feels that shoving fast food through a driveup window is worth a living wage, let them convince the employer of that. And good luck to them. If they manage that, they should seriously look into a career in sales. However, if they, in the meantime, refuse to work because noone will pay them what they believe their skills are worth, then let them reap the consequences of their inflated self importance. I have no problem helping people who are working to better themselves. I do have a problem with helping people who think it is their birthright that I do so.

Using government to distort fair price for a day's work is one of the main reasons we're facing the economic crises we face today. Inflating wages artificially only makes things produced by said labor more expensive, which in turn demands higher wages to maintain a specific level of standard of living. Demand a standard of living higher than a skill set is economically worth, it only becomes a vicious circle in which artificially inflated wages drive higher prices which in turn demand even higher wages.

It does not matter WHY a person is seeking labor to determine the level of their pay. Why would it be "fair" to pay the "mature individual who is expected to comply with all of society's norms" MORE than a kid saving for a new set of trucks for their skate board FOR THE SAME WORK? Such a concept is pure bullshit. About the only thing that would result from such a system is there would be full employment among minors, while exacerbating unemployment among unskilled young adults.

A person who is the primary support for a family needs a higher skill set than one requires for entry-level jobs in today's high-tech economy. Gone are the days of unskilled labor being the main bread winner's means of providing for their families. Some may bemoan this, and claim it is not fair, but that is the price we pay for all our luxuries, comforts, and toys that come from high technology. IF a person does not have those skill sets it is THEIR responsibility to attain those higher skill sets, either through work experience, moving up from entry level positions as they learn more about the industry in which they work, through education and/or job training, or, (best) some combination of work experience and education/job training. Simply making entry level position pay the higher wage they need to support their family is unfair to all of society, from the employers forced to pay wages higher than the position they filled brings to the business, to those people (which are the large majority in every society I can think of) who actually took on the responsibility of gaining the skill sets for higher paying jobs, and to the person whom you have robbed of self-dignity by artificially providing, on a constant basis, that which they know they have not earned. (That is one of the severe drawbacks of the way modern liberalism has designed assistance - they do it - deliberately - to rob the recipient of as much dignity as they can steal, in order to make it easier to force their continued dependence on the benevolence of government - thus giving government more power.)

Again, then better solution is to assist those who need the assistance in the form of jobs training and education so they can gain the skills sets for higher paying jobs, and in the meantime provide them with TEMPORARY (because they will eventually get a REAL living wage job through the primary assistance) subsidy to maintain basic living conditions (food, clothing, shelter) for them and their family. As they move up in the economic strata, the next generation takes over the entry level positions - paid at entry level wages because that is what the jobs are worth, to gain work experience and knowledge, add in education or jobs training programs for them, and it becomes a continuous and SUSTAINABLE economic system of assistance for those in need, and effort on the port of those receiving the assistance.
 



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Political scientists say the data shows a backlash of independent voters against conservative lawmakers who have taken a hard line against bipartisan compromise in Washington.



These experts say independent voters who make up the swing bloc of the electorate typically pay less attention to politics than staunch Republican and Democratic voters.


Many independents were not happy with what they saw over the last several weeks:



  • The CNN poll showed the Tea Party’s favorable/unfavorable rating grew from 37 percent in October of 2010 to 51 percent in August 2011.


  • The New York Times poll, conducted Aug. 2 – Aug. 4, showed the movement’s popularity at 20 percent and unpopularity at 40 percent.

Whit Ayres, a Republican pollster, acknowledged that Obama’s efforts to blame the Tea Party for the fractious negotiations has hurt the movement’s popularity.




http://thehill.com/homenews/news/17...may-be-coming-to-an-end-say-political-experts
 
I understand that Socialists are already fearful. Perry/Bachmann will restore our Nation to greatness. If your vision of America is a Third World country like the one Obama has in mind, you can leave for Cuba or North Korea.

We the People are taking America back with Gods help.

"We the People..." "taking America back..."

Liberals are "we the people" also, and it's not your country to take back. Read the Constitution.
 
Obama's prayer: "Please God, let Perry or Bachmann be the GOP candidate....Amen."




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