POTUS in Saudi Arabia

iolo said:
As in your favourite Nazi South Africa, they deny the owners of the Country any rights. Just your kind of people.
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If that were true then Israel would have kicked all the Arabs out in 1948. Instead they made them citizens, can you point to anywhere else in the Middle East that accepts Jews as willingly?

The problems in the Middle East are mostly due to the Arab armies in the late 40s who thought that. could just annihilate the Jews easily and just take over.

"Palestinians commemorate the "Nakba," the "disaster" that brought about the rebirth of Israel. I'm an advocate of a Palestinian state on 100 percent of the West Bank and Gaza (with land swaps, obviously -- the nefarious Obama plan that the majority of Israelis also endorse) and of a Palestinian capital in Jerusalem, but what I won't do is label as a "nakba" a war that saw the 600,000 Jews of Palestine prevent their own slaughter at the hands of invading Arab armies.

The Middle East suffers today from the crucial mistakes made by Arab leaders in the late 1940s. The United Nations, you'll recall, voted to divide Palestine into two equal halves, one for a Jewish state, the other for an Arab state. The Jews accepted the plan; the Arab leadership, thinking its armies were strong enough to annihilate the Jews, invaded, and then proceeded to lose. As a consequence of the war, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians became refugees -- some were expelled by Jewish forces in the course of fighting, some fled, others were encouraged to leave by their leaders. Today, many of the descendants of these refugees are still warehoused in camps with the approval of the Arab states which, one might think, would have paid to resettle these descendants of refugees. Other refugee populations from the tumultuous period following World War II have all been resettled, obviously."/!

Read more: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/05/the-other-nakba/257196/



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Amadeus said:
Iran is much further ahead when it comes to democracy and moderation. There is zero democracy in SA, meanwhile the Supreme Leader's disciple was openly rejected in favor of a moderate in Iran's recent election. Women can't even drive in Saudi Arabia.
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Captian Obvious,
Thanks very much for the basic understanding -but all that is well known and not worth much.

First of all the presidency in Iran has little power -that power structure is the Guardian Council.
So "democracy" in Iran is of little values
The president is the second highest ranking official in Iran. While the president has a high public profile, however, his power is in many ways trimmed back by the constitution, which subordinates the entire executive branch to the Supreme Leader. In fact, Iran is the only state in which the executive branch does not control the armed forces.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/tehran/inside/govt.html
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the main point is Iran is not going to allie with the west in any geo-political fashion, they look to Russia for that.
and IRANIAN HEGEMONY in the region is the real enemy of stability..

So we play our long term "special relationship" with SA as a counter regional power.
It is what it is (realpolitik)
 
anatta said:
the maon point is Iran is not going to allie with the west in any geo-political fashion,
and IRANIAN HEGEMONY in the region is the real enemy of stability..
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You forget that Iran was allied with the US until the people got tired of being abused by a US-installed dictator, and ousted him. The main reason Iran hasn't been pulled into the international community is because of the US's relationship with Saudi Arabia and (to a lesser extent) Israel. A relationship which is both toxic and self-defeating. Iran is a bad actor, for sure, but far less so than Saudi Arabia. As a society, Iran is infinitely superior and the people are MUCH more free (even pro-Western).
 
Amadeus said:
You forget that Iran was allied with the US until the people got tired of being abused by a US-installed dictator, and ousted him. The main reason Iran hasn't been pulled into the international community is because of the US's relationship with Saudi Arabia and (to a lesser extent) Israel. A relationship which is both toxic and self-defeating. Iran is a bad actor, for sure, but far less so than Saudi Arabia. As a society, Iran is infinitely superior and the people are MUCH more free (even pro-Western).
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Iran does have more attempts at westernization. Sometimes they succeed sometimes not.
But SA has a hugh population of foreign students. Women were first allowed to run for office recently.
We have to see where Salman's reforms go.

I could tell you horror stories of the basij run wild ( and not just during the Green Revolution)-
however that show Iran is still a fascist state.

Iran is an outlaw. It is STILL a sponsor of state terrorism,SA has largely learned it's lesson since 9-11.

And more germane then this is their Qods force truely is expeditionary- SA is not
Iran is a danger to the entire region..

none of this really matters because Iran has chosen a path that is always "Death toAmerica"
 
Milagro said:
If that were true then Israel would have kicked all the Arabs out in 1948. Instead they made them citizens, can you point to anywhere else in the Middle East that accepts Jews as willingly?

The problems in the Middle East are mostly due to the Arab armies in the late 40s who thought that. could just annihilate the Jews easily and just take over.

"Palestinians commemorate the "Nakba," the "disaster" that brought about the rebirth of Israel. I'm an advocate of a Palestinian state on 100 percent of the West Bank and Gaza (with land swaps, obviously -- the nefarious Obama plan that the majority of Israelis also endorse) and of a Palestinian capital in Jerusalem, but what I won't do is label as a "nakba" a war that saw the 600,000 Jews of Palestine prevent their own slaughter at the hands of invading Arab armies.

The Middle East suffers today from the crucial mistakes made by Arab leaders in the late 1940s. The United Nations, you'll recall, voted to divide Palestine into two equal halves, one for a Jewish state, the other for an Arab state. The Jews accepted the plan; the Arab leadership, thinking its armies were strong enough to annihilate the Jews, invaded, and then proceeded to lose. As a consequence of the war, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians became refugees -- some were expelled by Jewish forces in the course of fighting, some fled, others were encouraged to leave by their leaders. Today, many of the descendants of these refugees are still warehoused in camps with the approval of the Arab states which, one might think, would have paid to resettle these descendants of refugees. Other refugee populations from the tumultuous period following World War II have all been resettled, obviously."/!

Read more: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/05/the-other-nakba/257196/



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Don't be bloody soft - South Africa needed an impoverished labour force, as do these Nazis. The problems of the Middle East, as you know, spring entirely from western colonialism, particularly American imperialism in many countries, especially Palestine. If you are talking about these Nazis, child, you are celebrating the rebirth of the Khazar kingdom - scarcely any of these scumbags had ancestors who lived in Palestine. They, obviously, gave rise to the Palestinians. Are you a Khazar, incredibly thick, or paid by the buggers? You talk like a drunken parrot.
 
iolo said:
Don't be bloody soft - South Africa needed an impoverished labour force, as do these Nazis. The problems of the Middle East, as you know, spring entirely from western colonialism, particularly American imperialism in many countries, especially Palestine. If you are talking about these Nazis, child, you are celebrating the rebirth of the Khazar kingdom - scarcely any of these scumbags had ancestors who lived in Palestine. They, obviously, gave rise to the Palestinians. Are you a Khazar, incredibly thick, or paid by the buggers? You talk like a drunken parrot.
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Well they could easily have made them gastarbeiten then, instead of making then citizens. I also believe that it was Arthur Koestle in the Thirteenth Tribe that came up with the Khazar theory but that has been discredited. Anyway there were very few Arabs in that region until the 13th century when Jews and Christians were expelled by the Arab armies.

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anatta said:
Iran is an outlaw. It is STILL a sponsor of state terrorism,SA has largely learned it's lesson since 9-11.
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Funny how Iran's actions are classified as terrorism, but not Saudi Arabia's, which continues to sponsor terrorism 'behind the scenes' (not to mention actually enabling extremism and recruitment RIGHT under their noses) to this very day. The notion that they have become innocent since 9/11 is a complete and total joke and lie.
 
Amadeus said:
There are up to 25,000 Jews in Iran, where Canada has about 1,000. OH MY GOD.
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Isfahan, Iran’s third-largest city, with a population of over 1.5 million, was home to 1,200 of Iran’s 25,000 Jews as of 2009. Since then, Jewish numbers in the Islamic Republic have declined. A government census published earlier this year indicated there were a mere 8,756 Jews left in Iran, and Amir told The Times of Israel that Isfahan was now home to fewer than 100 families.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish...-in-iran-over-property-dispute/#ixzz3Ac6duaqw

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Milagro said:
Well they could easily have made them gastarbeiten then, instead of making then citizens. I also believe that it was Arthur Koestle in the Thirteenth Tribe that came up with the Khazar theory but that has been discredited. Anyway there were very few Arabs in that region until the 13th century when Jews and Christians were expelled by the Arab armies.

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Did the Nazis do that in South Africa? How, even in your Nazi world, can you be a guest-worker in your own country, and the Khazars couldn't, and can't now, get away with death-camps at the time. And if you think the people of Palestine who didn't convert were expelled, it just shows how brainwashed you are. The last thing the Muslims wanted was converts - they paid far less tax.
 
Amadeus said:
Funny how Iran's actions are classified as terrorism, but not Saudi Arabia's, which continues to sponsor terrorism 'behind the scenes' (not to mention actually enabling extremism and recruitment RIGHT under their noses) to this very day. The notion that they have become innocent since 9/11 is a complete and total joke and lie.
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but they have Oil


that erases everything

ask Chenny
 
Amadeus said:
Funny how Iran's actions are classified as terrorism, but not Saudi Arabia's, which continues to sponsor terrorism 'behind the scenes' (not to mention actually enabling extremism and recruitment RIGHT under their noses) to this very day. The notion that they have become innocent since 9/11 is a complete and total joke and lie.
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SA does not sponsor state terrorism-there are always individuals that do so.
No one says they are innocent. I saw a leaked report they were giving capitol prisoners a chance
to leave and join ISIS ( SA letterhead). I never could confirm it.

But we do work with SA,we cannot work with Iran . That is how Iran wants it
 
liar


the people of Iran want to join the world


its religious right win g leaders are the evil ones
 
iolo said:
Interesting to see what the 'Republicans' really believe in: absolute monarchy and the denial of human rights. Heil Trump and death to intelligence!
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True, but only when our dear leader assumes it is in his best interest, my bad, our best interest.......:whome:
 
Irish said:
Signed a 110B dollar deal that will create business here in America! Another big win!

However on the topic of terrorism, yes, technically SA is an ally against Shia terrorists, but haven't been strong against Sunni terrorism. Sometimes they see them as an allie. ISIS/AQ are SUNNI. Sunni's are the crazier of the 2 sects.

They support wahhabism and never forget 15 of the hijackers came right from SA. Growing up in the extremism and ant-western culture that is produced in SA. If they want to be a real ally, they must seek some serious cultural reforms.
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Yea, he said he is gonna get the head choppers a real good deal w/ American companies, prices etc..... I thought he was suppose to do that for US??:palm:
 
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