Poor, poor Dems..Sniff, Sniff!

Anytime you ask for all of the many, many taxes that Obama has raised - why, "everything that twitches" - you get the cig tax.
 
Good Luck said:
1) Overloaded personal debt is a primary reason for the banking/housing crisis. It was the primary reason for the S&L crisis in the 80s. Yet this administration, like every administration before all the way back to FDR, is encouraging more personal debt. $4500 to trade in your old clunker and take up the debt on a $20,000 car. Good plan. (not) Give banks a load of money that does not exist in the hopes they lend it out to people, creating more personal debt. It's a false economy, and the primary reason we have so many fluctuations, dips, drops, and mini recessions. Time for it to end, and that means stop all federal programs that encourage growing personal debt.

2) Quit interfering with business. After a TON of money (that didn't exist) GM STILL went bankrupt. Their restructuring could have easily taken place, with fewer long term consequences, if they'd simply stayed out of it. Taken the money to support those put out of work until GM can get back on their feet. It would have been a hell of a lot cheaper, especially since federal programs will be supporting unemployment roles anyway.

3) Health care reform: finding new ways to pay for hyper-inflated health care costs (much of which is due to inefficient government regulations) is NOT reform. Rather than go the old, tired, problem-ridden government-subsidy method in place of the old, tired, economic darwinism method, how about a new approach that studies and addresses the factors that have driven health care costs at rates far higher than inflation can account for. Take care of the unacceptably high costs of care, and the rest will take care of itself with a much smaller medicare/medicaid program to assist those still in need.

4) GET THE HELL OUT OF IRAQ. Draw deployments down to 20% current levels and pull our forces back into an emergency-on-call force only. Time for the Iraqi forces to shit or get off the pot.

5) I would not be raising taxes on every damned thing that twitches. If naught else, just so the promise to not raise taxes on those making under $250,000 would not be quite the outright blatant up-the-ass lie Obama has made it into.

6) If the federal government is going to spend a ton of nonexistent money in business, let it be in a manner that brings manufacturing jobs back inside our borders. Penalize corporations that use too high a percentage of foreign labor. Reward those that use a high percentage of domestic labor.

That's just a few off the top of my head.
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Not bad except for #2 and #5.
Not interfering with the finiancial business was a major major contributor to this mess.
 
Onceler said:
Anytime you ask for all of the many, many taxes that Obama has raised - why, "everything that twitches" - you get the cig tax.
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A TAX IS A TAX...you can't spin your way out of that one..and it was a tax on only a certain GROUP of people...sounds fair to me, eh
 
meme said:
A TAX IS A TAX...you can't spin your way out of that one..and it was a tax on only a certain GROUP of people...sounds fair to me, eh
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Then say "he raised a tax."

Don't say (or defend) "he raised taxes on every damned thing that twitches."

Unless you don't care about credibility.
 
meme said:
A TAX IS A TAX...you can't spin your way out of that one..and it was a tax on only a certain GROUP of people...sounds fair to me, eh
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Well I knew you guys could come up with the cigarette tax. I was really looking for this long, expansive list of tax raises I'm sure you guys have prepared; if all you can come up with is the cigarette tax, it's time to go home and call it a night.
 
Watermark said:
Well I knew you guys could come up with the cigarette tax. I was really looking for this long, expansive list of tax raises I'm sure you guys have prepared; if all you can come up with is the cigarette tax, it's time to go home and call it a night.
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Name a single tax raise, off the top of your head, dumbass.
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I gave you one, now you start the spinning..figures..
 
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meme said:
I gave you one, now you start the spinning..figures..
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So far:

New Taxes on Liquor for everyone who drinks (In effect 4/01/09)
New Taxes on Cigarettes for everyone who smokes (In effect 4/01/09)

My Property Tax (As in all states)
Those who pay a State Income Tax (in 2009)

And when the Bush Tax Cuts Expire
The exemption on the first $10,000 goes away
The 10% bracket goes away on the first $20,000 (Becomes 14%)
(This means $2,800 additional taxes for anyone earning $20,000 or more)

Don't forget his promised "Fossil Fuel" Taxes for Gasoline, Fuel Oil etc. and his "Cap and Trade" tax scheme on electricity. And health care is right around the corner.

Just be patient - I'm sure you'll be pleased with all of the taxes you'll get to pay under Obama. Remember you pay taxes for his first year - Next April 15. Enjoy what you voted for.
 
Ice Dancer said:
So far:

New Taxes on Liquor for everyone who drinks (In effect 4/01/09)
New Taxes on Cigarettes for everyone who smokes (In effect 4/01/09)

My Property Tax (As in all states)
Those who pay a State Income Tax (in 2009)

And when the Bush Tax Cuts Expire
The exemption on the first $10,000 goes away
The 10% bracket goes away on the first $20,000 (Becomes 14%)
(This means $2,800 additional taxes for anyone earning $20,000 or more)

Don't forget his promised "Fossil Fuel" Taxes for Gasoline, Fuel Oil etc. and his "Cap and Trade" tax scheme on electricity. And health care is right around the corner.

Just be patient - I'm sure you'll be pleased with all of the taxes you'll get to pay under Obama. Remember you pay taxes for his first year - Next April 15. Enjoy what you voted for.
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Obama raised all of these?

Really?
 
Onceler said:
Ah, yes - back to the cig tax. "Everything that twitches"...
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the Hugo lied, no taxes on ANYONE who makes under 250,000 a year... and look what he did to the poor people who smoke and can afford this tax the least in his FIRST month of his Presidency..

would make a good ad..don't ya think..
 
meme said:
the Hugo lied, no taxes on ANYONE who makes under 250,000 a year... and look what he did to the poor people who smoke and can afford this tax the least in his FIRST month of his Presidency..

would make a good ad..don't ya think..
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I'm tryin' to help you, meme. It's a fine case.

But you completely undermine it when you choose to stand by an exaggeration like "everything that twitches." It shows you will lie or say anything to make your point.
 
Onceler said:
I'm tryin' to help you, meme. It's a fine case.

But you completely undermine it when you choose to stand by an exaggeration like "everything that twitches." It shows you will lie or say anything to make your point.
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I don't want your help..K
your stupid thing about "everything that twitches" is just that, STUPID..but we know what you do..so move along now..
 
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