GazzaQueen
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The part where The Don is sitting in the WH and Hillary is blaming the Macedonians.
Wins don't come much bigger than that.
Poor old Hillary
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The part where The Don is sitting in the WH and Hillary is blaming the Macedonians.
Wins don't come much bigger than that.
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Who is the leader of the democrat party now? Who do you rally around for your message?
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I thought Hillary's most recent public speeches/interviews were embarrassing, and said so here. I also opposed Pelosi for minority leader.
I actually didn't see any prominent Democrats or even anyone on the left support or praise her recent public interviews or anything that she said, much less "embrace" her. I have no doubt that's what you want to see, and probably delude yourself is happening - but it's not reality.
#STFUHillary part 5
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/editorials/article154011389.html
In a remarkable interview Wednesday with the technology site Recode, Hillary Clinton went from wounded to whiny, from sympathetic loser to sore loser, as she delivered her accounting of all the things that led to Nov. 8:
Why did she lose? Let’s recap:
▪ It was the Democratic National Committee’s fault. “I get the nomination ... I inherit nothing from the Democratic party,” she said. “It was bankrupt. It was on the verge of insolvency. Its data was mediocre to poor, nonexistent, wrong.”
▪ It was the media’s fault for turning her use of a personal email server “into the biggest scandal since who knows when.”
▪ It was the Russians’ fault for leaking emails detrimental to her campaign. “I believe that what was happening to me was unprecedented,” she said.
▪ It was, ahem, someone else’s fault for helping guide the Russians on how to best “weaponize” those leaks. Who gave them that guidance? “I’m leaning Trump,” Clinton said.
▪ It was everyone else’s fault for not paying attention when she suggested that Trump and Russia had a troubling relationship. “We were basically shooed away, like, ‘Oh you know, there she goes, vast right-wing conspiracy.’” Clinton said. (Fact check: A lot was written during the election about Trump and Russia.)
▪ It also was everyone else’s fault for thinking she was going to win a race in which she was leading most every poll. “I was the victim of a very broad assumption I was going to win,” she said.
▪ It was James Comey’s fault for announcing on Oct. 28 that he was investigating new information that might be connected to Clinton’s email server.
▪ It was the New York Times’ fault for treating the Comey announcement “like it was Pearl Harbor.” (As if the FBI director saying his agency was investigating a presidential candidate was not a big headline.)
What about Clinton herself? “I take responsibility for every decision I made,” she said.
Good.
“But that’s not why I lost.”
Sigh.
Look, Clinton isn’t wrong to lament factors that might have contributed to her loss. The Russians meddled. James Comey spoke up when he shouldn’t have – or didn’t speak up when he should have about the other campaign the FBI was investigating.
It’s also very human to harbor what-ifs about such a significant disappointment – especially when you got so close to the thing you wanted most.
But Wednesday’s interview was a startling display of blame-shifting, and it was a good reminder of at least one reason Clinton was unable to beat the most flawed candidate in general election history: Then and now, she has exhibited an inability to take responsibility for her shortcomings. The email server that dogged her candidacy was never just about the email server. It was about a stubborn reluctance to just say, unqualified, that she’d done something wrong.It was about trust, and it was far from the first time.
It’s revisionist for Clinton and her supporters to point fingers everywhere but at the candidate who lost, and it would be dangerous for Democrats to display the same lack of introspection moving forward. Hillary Clinton lost for a lot of reasons last November, but the biggest was Hillary Clinton. Turns out there’s one more person she has trouble being forthright with – herself.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/editorials/article154011389.html
In a remarkable interview Wednesday with the technology site Recode, Hillary Clinton went from wounded to whiny, from sympathetic loser to sore loser, as she delivered her accounting of all the things that led to Nov. 8:
Why did she lose? Let’s recap:
▪ It was the Democratic National Committee’s fault. “I get the nomination ... I inherit nothing from the Democratic party,” she said. “It was bankrupt. It was on the verge of insolvency. Its data was mediocre to poor, nonexistent, wrong.”
▪ It was the media’s fault for turning her use of a personal email server “into the biggest scandal since who knows when.”
▪ It was the Russians’ fault for leaking emails detrimental to her campaign. “I believe that what was happening to me was unprecedented,” she said.
▪ It was, ahem, someone else’s fault for helping guide the Russians on how to best “weaponize” those leaks. Who gave them that guidance? “I’m leaning Trump,” Clinton said.
▪ It was everyone else’s fault for not paying attention when she suggested that Trump and Russia had a troubling relationship. “We were basically shooed away, like, ‘Oh you know, there she goes, vast right-wing conspiracy.’” Clinton said. (Fact check: A lot was written during the election about Trump and Russia.)
▪ It also was everyone else’s fault for thinking she was going to win a race in which she was leading most every poll. “I was the victim of a very broad assumption I was going to win,” she said.
▪ It was James Comey’s fault for announcing on Oct. 28 that he was investigating new information that might be connected to Clinton’s email server.
▪ It was the New York Times’ fault for treating the Comey announcement “like it was Pearl Harbor.” (As if the FBI director saying his agency was investigating a presidential candidate was not a big headline.)
What about Clinton herself? “I take responsibility for every decision I made,” she said.
Good.
“But that’s not why I lost.”
Sigh.
Look, Clinton isn’t wrong to lament factors that might have contributed to her loss. The Russians meddled. James Comey spoke up when he shouldn’t have – or didn’t speak up when he should have about the other campaign the FBI was investigating.
It’s also very human to harbor what-ifs about such a significant disappointment – especially when you got so close to the thing you wanted most.
But Wednesday’s interview was a startling display of blame-shifting, and it was a good reminder of at least one reason Clinton was unable to beat the most flawed candidate in general election history: Then and now, she has exhibited an inability to take responsibility for her shortcomings. The email server that dogged her candidacy was never just about the email server. It was about a stubborn reluctance to just say, unqualified, that she’d done something wrong.It was about trust, and it was far from the first time.
It’s revisionist for Clinton and her supporters to point fingers everywhere but at the candidate who lost, and it would be dangerous for Democrats to display the same lack of introspection moving forward. Hillary Clinton lost for a lot of reasons last November, but the biggest was Hillary Clinton. Turns out there’s one more person she has trouble being forthright with – herself.
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Oh - so any win is a "smashing." Got it. Just wanted to know your parameters.
Kind of dilutes that characterization, but whatever floats your boat.
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She got overhauled. We told you she was unstable. You're only now seeing it.
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hrc threads will continue as long as she continues trying to stay relevant and dims enable her with your silence. It has nothing to do with Trump.
If she had a shred of dignity she'd go quietly into the night.
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It's hard for any party completely in the minority to have a formal "leader." It's mainly the people we see speaking a lot - Booker, Sanders, Schumer to an extent. Tim Ryan, Linda Sanchez, Ruben Gallego, Kamala Harris...the Dems have a pretty good bench of young up & comers right now.
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Let's go Brandon!
Why would I finish your sentence that whines about some popular vote? You own it.
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Why wouldn't the person in your Party that 'won more votes than the current President' be considered the Party leader?
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Because she lost. Are you new to politics? When someone loses a Presidential election, they generally become irrelevant. There are some exceptions, but they are very rare.
Sorry. I know you want Hillary to be the leader of the Democrats. But no matter how much you wish it, it's just not happening.
However, Donald Trump IS the leader of the GOP, and redefining it for a generation. Best o' luck w/ that one.
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Handel says she had it, and thanks for the sentiment.
Is Trump your spiritual leader?
I didn't know the persons I vote for in government were also suppose to be my "spiritual leaders" sounds rather Talibanish.
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They get very cult-ish on that side. It's weird.
It's also disastrous.
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The People cried out for supplication, and were rewarded their faith in The Donald's glorious victory.
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Let's go Brandon!
John McCain was the leader of the GOP after he lost to The Obama. So was Mitt Romney. And Hillary was the leading Democrat (after The Obama) after she lost to The Obama. Why do you insist that things are different now, Thing?
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Romney was COMPLETELY irrelevant. McCain was only one of the leaders, but he can be included in that group only because he still had a job.
That's incredibly desperate. You really want Hillary to be the Dem leader.
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Then why don't you guys tell hrc to STFU?
So does she. The self proclaimed Leader of the Resistance. Wonder Woman. Excuse Tour.
Then tell her to STFU and quit making an ass of herself. She had ample opportunity, and used it, in two elections.
Too early to say that, way. And they don't exactly embrace him, at least the politicians.
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No. Politically I'd have to say Ron Paul is. But I was never a Paulbot.