Polls Are Biased: Trump Will Again Deliver A Stunning Upset YAHOO NEWS

IBDaMann said:
Your post only makes sense if you expect me to believe that you foresee the future and that you are a mindreader of untold masses.

The problem here is that I do not believe you can either read minds or portend the future.
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Sure, I could be wrong. But it seems more than likely when you see that Trump continually tries to illegitimize mail-in voting with literally no evidence. Sometimes he'll even make up stories like the one about Trump ballots being thrown in a river. If Biden wins, and Trump already spent all this time lying about mail-in voting being a scam, do you really think he's just going to stop pushing that narrative?

The bottom line is that the Democrats have a pretty clear plan to cheat via massive voter fraud.
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Any evidence of that?
 
Darth Omar said:
Polls *use* math lol.

But they are confounded by too many variables. Probably never more true than when Trump is on the ticket.
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The variabilities are controlled by averaging all the polls. That too is mathematics. No they are not overburdened with variables. Polls are very accurate when you take out political ones. They were accurate in 2016.
 
Nordberg said:
The variabilities are controlled by averaging all the polls. That too is mathematics. No they are not overburdened with variables. Polls are very accurate when you take out political ones. They were accurate in 2016.
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Why was I sure Trump was going to lose exactly four years ago lol?
 
StoneByStone said:
Well they have looked into voter fraud by mail and found that it's extremely rare. And the few times it does happen, it's caught right away.
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Americans are increasingly convinced that elections are poorly done because they are. Then you need to ask youself why they are not done better. The reason is that those who run them dont want them to be done better and the citizens have not demanded better. What we know in America especially in the age of Trump is that those who can cheat will cheat. The chances that this election will be fair and transparent are approx zero.
 
volsrock said:
Polls Are Biased: Trump Will Again Deliver A Stunning Upset

The best tool we have to determine the outcome of elections is polls. Each poll has its own bias and we can get rid of some of the bias in individual polls by combining the results of each individual poll in one giant poll. Fivethirtyeight is a website that does this for us. Its method isn't fool proof though. We can get rid of some of the bias, but not all of it.

Right before the 2016 presidential election, on November 7th, Fivethirtyeight estimated that Hillary Clinton had a 67% chance of winning the election. Yet, Donald Trump crushed Hillary. There are several reasons why this happened. I am not going to waste your time to discuss these. The most important factor was that voters didn't reveal their true intentions when asked by pollsters. As a result, polls failed to predict the outcome of the 2016 elections. Take a look at this screenshot of Fivethirtyeight's website from November 7, 2016 (the day before the 2016 election): ...


https://www.yahoo.com/news/polls-biased-trump-again-deliver-195322946.html
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The writer failed to mention an important point from 2016 and that was James Comey's letter dated October 28 of that year.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Americans are increasingly convinced that elections are poorly done because they are. Then you need to ask youself why they are not done better. The reason is that those who run them dont want them to be done better and the citizens have not demanded better. What we know in America especially in the age of Trump is that those who can cheat will cheat. The chances that this election will be fair and transparent are approx zero.
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Elections are poorly done, but not because of voter fraud. They're poorly done because we have the Electoral College. We have a system where the person with less votes can still win, where your vote only matters if you live in a swing state, and where electorates are the only ones who actually vote.
But Trump isn't talking about that, because those things help him. Instead he's lying about mail-in voting because he thinks that's how he's going to lose.
 
StoneByStone said:
Elections are poorly done, but not because of voter fraud. They're poorly done because we have the Electoral College. We have a system where the person with less votes can still win, where your vote only matters if you live in a swing state, and where electorates are the only ones who actually vote.
But Trump isn't talking about that, because those things help him. Instead he's lying about mail-in voting because he thinks that's how he's going to lose.
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They are poorly done because the people who are in charge of elections, the counting of votes, dont want to do their jobs better, and the citizens have not demanded better work.

It is like this all over America now everywhere...Election officials are not special...they suck generally too.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
They are poorly done because the people who are in charge of elections, the counting of votes, dont want to do their jobs better, and the citizens have not demanded better work.

It is like this all over America now everywhere...Election officials are not special...they suck generally too.
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Do we have any evidence of that or is it just speculation?
 
StoneByStone said:
Sure, I could be wrong. But it seems more than likely when you see that Trump continually tries to illegitimize mail-in voting with literally no evidence.
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Let's take your TDS out of the equation. Let's not bring Trump into this at all. You're talking to me right now. I'm the one saying that mail-in voting is ripe for massive voter fraud. It's objectively true and not a matter of opinion. As such those who understand the situation as well as I do agree that mail-in voting should be banned. Those who have no clue or who are utterly dishonest because they want to commit massive voter fraud claim that we absolutely "gotta have it!"

StoneByStone said:
Any evidence of that?
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Yes. I'll start with the kicker. The Democrats want to ensure that no voter ID and no signatures are required.

The DNC wants the be able to print up millions of ballots, filled in with Biden's name, dump them in the mail one week before the election, landslide-lose the election on election night *BUT* ... win the election in a landslide when their "mail-in" ballots are all finally counted.

Obviously this should not be allowed. If mail-in voting is allowed then no one will ever have any faith in our elections. No one.
 
IBDaMann said:
Let's take your TDS out of the equation. Let's not bring Trump into this at all. You're talking to me right now. I'm the one saying that mail-in voting is ripe for massive voter fraud. It's objectively true and not a matter of opinion. As such those who understand the situation as well as I do agree that mail-in voting should be banned. Those who have no clue or who are utterly dishonest because they want to commit massive voter fraud claim that we absolutely "gotta have it!"
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:laugh:

Now do you have any evidence that mail-in voting leads to large amounts of voter fraud? Or is this just Fashies being Fashy?

Don't give me conspiracy theory talking-points about how ballots with Republican names on them get thrown in rivers. Give me actual evidence that voter fraud by mail is common enough that it should be banned.
 
volsrock said:
Polls Are Biased: Trump Will Again Deliver A Stunning Upset

The best tool we have to determine the outcome of elections is polls. Each poll has its own bias and we can get rid of some of the bias in individual polls by combining the results of each individual poll in one giant poll. Fivethirtyeight is a website that does this for us. Its method isn't fool proof though. We can get rid of some of the bias, but not all of it.

Right before the 2016 presidential election, on November 7th, Fivethirtyeight estimated that Hillary Clinton had a 67% chance of winning the election. Yet, Donald Trump crushed Hillary. There are several reasons why this happened. I am not going to waste your time to discuss these. The most important factor was that voters didn't reveal their true intentions when asked by pollsters. As a result, polls failed to predict the outcome of the 2016 elections. Take a look at this screenshot of Fivethirtyeight's website from November 7, 2016 (the day before the 2016 election): ...


https://www.yahoo.com/news/polls-biased-trump-again-deliver-195322946.html

:magagrin:
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Love it when facts show Trumpkins wrong:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

2016 election polls going into the 2016 election were within the margin of error
 
StoneByStone said:
Do we have any evidence of that or is it just speculation?
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From 2014....and things have only gotten worse:
Experts were also critical about electoral flaws in certain long-established democracies, such as Italy, Japan, and the United States, with the latter ranked 25th out of 86 countries worldwide, the lowest score among Western nations. Experts highlighted concern about processes of redistricting, voter registration, and campaign finance in American elections.
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https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour.../506F05DEF195C4A73DD1C937591B2071/core-reader
 
StoneByStone said:
But it's not saying America has a problem with voter fraud.

I do think we have problems with our system, but it's usually that not enough votes are counted, not that fake ones are counted.
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I am not using the term voter fraud....I am saying that those who run elections do their jobs poorly all to often. Their oft refusal to keep the voter rolls clean...that is correct....that is allowing those who should be able to vote to vote and those who should not be able to vote to not...is documented. If they are not willing to do even that then we must assume that they are not counting votes correctly either. I take their consistent refusals to sit for audits from outside trustable experts as proof.
 
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Although Biden said ignore the polls and do not fear because some polls are indeed biased and skewed in republicans' favor, considering those polls are also possibly manipulated by Russians to which republicans are sold out to and like in 2016 when the legitimacy of that election was destroyed in the devil's favor. Also did you tRump kissers and more ass-et for Putin consider should Democrats take the Senate that repukes are holding a narrow edge there, no matter how much tRump kissing projections and fact free bs with your worthless sources indicate in tRump's favor, Congressional justice will be vindicated against republicans when it comes to acquitting tRump who is impeached forever as a result of finally getting a conviction and getting rid of tRump. So Trumpsters, there is more than one way to get rid or your Putin puppet COVID-45 tRump who is no fascist who I would not glorify with that term or anything else other than a tyrant, dog, imposter and sick maniac:

Those are the results of a new national NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll — conducted after Trump returned to the White House from his hospitalization for the coronavirus — which finds Biden ahead of Trump by 11 points among registered voters, 53 percent to 42 percent.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/me...e-digit-national-lead-over-trump-nbc-n1243425

The 10 Senate seats most likely to flip, 3 weeks from Election Day
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/13/politics/election-2020-senate-race-rankings-three-weeks/index.html
 
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volsrock said:
Polls Are Biased: Trump Will Again Deliver A Stunning Upset

The best tool we have to determine the outcome of elections is polls. Each poll has its own bias and we can get rid of some of the bias in individual polls by combining the results of each individual poll in one giant poll. Fivethirtyeight is a website that does this for us. Its method isn't fool proof though. We can get rid of some of the bias, but not all of it.

Right before the 2016 presidential election, on November 7th, Fivethirtyeight estimated that Hillary Clinton had a 67% chance of winning the election. Yet, Donald Trump crushed Hillary. There are several reasons why this happened. I am not going to waste your time to discuss these. The most important factor was that voters didn't reveal their true intentions when asked by pollsters. As a result, polls failed to predict the outcome of the 2016 elections. Take a look at this screenshot of Fivethirtyeight's website from November 7, 2016 (the day before the 2016 election): ...


https://www.yahoo.com/news/polls-biased-trump-again-deliver-195322946.html

:magagrin:
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you are under the delusion that America is just like your white trash town
 
Boy, It sure is going to come in handy that every Democrat in the world has for the last year said that mail in ballets are fraud free............especially when millions and millions and millions of ballets come in marked for Trump. Can you say........you have been PLAYED? ;) :cool:
 
volsrock said:
Polls Are Biased: Trump Will Again Deliver A Stunning Upset

Right before the 2016 presidential election, on November 7th, Fivethirtyeight estimated that Hillary Clinton had a 67% chance of winning the election. Yet, Donald Trump crushed Hillary. There are several reasons why this happened. I am not going to waste your time to discuss these. The most important factor was that voters didn't reveal their true intentions when asked by pollsters. As a result, polls failed to predict the outcome of the 2016 elections.
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If voters had not revealed their true intentions the 2016 polls would not have been so close to the actual results--a 2% popular vote advantage for Clinton.
 
Stone said:
Boy, It sure is going to come in handy that every Democrat in the world has for the last year said that mail in ballets are fraud free............especially when millions and millions and millions of ballets come in marked for Trump. Can you say........you have been PLAYED? ;) :cool:
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Said nobody. Mail-in is.00004 percent corrupted. Not fraud free. You are expressing your prejudice and Trump leanings.
 
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