Poll: Majority of US for legal pot

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
I have heard you reference this as some sort of fact and challenged it before. I have not seen one source that has contained any hard data.
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then how about you be extremely specific on this issue and tell us what source is the only source you're going to believe, because several of us have posted the numbers. Are you going to be like USFreedom and demand to see the original study and report signed by every solicitor on subject?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
Bush sucked on this issue. He was not better on this issue than Obama or Clinton in any significant way. Romney sucked too and indicated that he would fight it tooth and nail. Obama's record on the issue was not sufficient that it should have gained him any votes or support. He did not get mine.
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and we're only arguing about one basic fact, that is who has increased the war on pot. that has been obama
 
SmarterthanYou said:
then how about you be extremely specific on this issue and tell us what source is the only source you're going to believe, because several of us have posted the numbers. Are you going to be like USFreedom and demand to see the original study and report signed by every solicitor on subject?

and we're only arguing about one basic fact, that is who has increased the war on pot. that has been obama
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You have not posted any numbers. My request is not at all unreasonable. Any source you have that shows some hard data comparing whatever segment of drug busts under Bush and Obama and how those figures were tabulated, would do. "More than 200 raids on dispensaries" is not hard data. In not one of those do they tell us how many occurred under Bush. It leads me to believe that the number was reached using some questionable method. For instance, maybe someone did a search of news stories? I don't know, but I am asking you to provide a real source or just quit claiming Bush was so much better like it is some proven fact.
 
Jarod said:
I wonder if this issue will be simular to Gay Marriage. Will both parties nominate a Pro-Gay Marriage canidate in 16'? Will both parties nominate a pro-Legalization canidate in 16'?

Or will only one canidate jump ahead on the issue and collect some votes for the effort.
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The Republicans did on 08 and 12. His name was Ron Paul, hero of America, defender of Freedom, champion of Liberty.
 
patriot66 said:
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html

Health_Concerns: WHAT ARE THE MEDICAL DANGERS OF MARIJUANA USE?

I must preface these statements with the remark that there is still a great deal of research to be done concerning the effects of marijuana on the health of humans due to the fact that widespread marijuana use has only become prevalent in this country within the last three decades, so the effects of long-term use are just beginning to become apparent. I should also add that in making these observations, I have concentrated on the risks of smoking natural marijuana, since it is the most effective method of ingesting its active cannabinoids.

Marijuana has often been touted as one of the safest recreational substances available. This is perhaps true; many reputable scientific studies support the conclusion that cocaine, heroine, alcohol, and even cigarettes are more dangerous to the user�s health than marijuana. In addition, the celebrated pharmacological properties of cannabis have led thirty-six states to permit its use as a therapeutic drug for, among others, those suffering from AIDS; various painful, incurable and debilitating illnesses; the harmful side effects of cancer chemotherapy, and glaucoma. Additional research is being conducted concerning the use of marijuana on the treatment of anxiety and mental disorders.

Nonetheless, it would be fallacious to conclude that because the chemicals in marijuana have been found to present fewer dangers than some very harmful substances, the medical or recreational use of marijuana is perfectly safe. In a recreational context, marijuana has been shown to affect health, brain function, and memory. And in a medical context, marijuana is like any other powerful prescription drug: it has potentially dangerous side effects, and the decision to use it to treat patients must involve the same balancing test as the one required for chemotherapy or AZT: do the therapeutic effects of the drug outweigh its harmful effects? Though there are many more studies to be done on this issue, current data shows that the answer to this question may not always be "yes."



EFFECTS OF HABITUAL MARIJUANA USE ON THE IMMUNE SYSTEM

The most potent argument against the use of marijuana to treat medical disorders is that marijuana may cause the acceleration or aggravation of the very disorders it is being used to treat.

Smoking marijuana regularly (a joint a day) can damage the cells in the bronchial passages which protect the body against inhaled microorganisms and decrease the ability of the immune cells in the lungs to fight off fungi, bacteria, and tumor cells. For patients with already weakened immune systems, this means an increase in the possibility of dangerous pulmonary infections, including pneumonia, which often proves fatal in AIDS patients.

Studies further suggest that marijuana is a general "immunosuppressant" whose degenerative influence extends beyond the respiratory system. Regular smoking has been shown to materially affect the overall ability of the smoker�s body to defend itself against infection by weakening various natural immune mechanisms, including macrophages (a.k.a. "killer cells") and the all-important T-cells. Obviously, this suggests the conclusion, which is well-supported by scientific studies, that the use of marijuana as a medical therapy can and does have a very serious negative effect on patients with pre-existing immune deficits resulting from AIDS, organ transplantation, or cancer chemotherapy, the very conditions for which marijuana has most often been touted and suggested as a treatment. It has also been shown that marijuana use can accelerate the progression of HIV to full-blown AIDS and increase the occurrence of infections and Kaposi�s sarcoma. In addition, patients with weak immune systems will be even less able to defend themselves against the various respiratory cancers and conditions to which consistent marijuana use has been linked, and which are discussed briefly under "Respiratory Illnesses."

In conclusion, it seems that the potential dangers presented by the medical use of marijuana may actually contribute to the dangers of the diseases which it would be used to combat. Therefore, I suggest that marijuana should not be permitted as a therapy, at least until a good deal more conclusive research has been completed concerning its debilitating effect on the immune system.

For more on this topic, please see Donald P. Tashkin, M.D., "Effects of Marijuana on the Lung and Its Immune Defenses," Secretary's Youth Substance Abuse Prevention Intiative: Resource Papers, March 1997, Center for Substance Abuse Prevention. Pages 33-51 of this address can be found at the website of the Indiana Prevention Resource Center at Indiana University, located at http://www.drugs.indiana.edu/druginfo/tashkin- marijuana.html.



RESPIRATORY ILLNESSES

The main respiratory consequences of smoking marijuana regularly (one joint a day) are pulmonary infections and respiratory cancer, whose connection to marijuana use has been strongly suggested but not conclusively proven. The effects also include chronic bronchitis, impairment in the function of the smaller air passages, inflammation of the lung, the development of potentially pre-cancerous abnormalities in the bronchial lining and lungs, and, as discussed, a reduction in the capabilities of many defensive mechanisms within the lungs.

Marijuana smoke and cigarette smoke contain many of the same toxins, including one which has been identified as a key factor in the promotion of lung cancer. This toxin is found in the tar phase of both, and it should be noted that one joint has four times more tar than a cigarette, which means that the lungs are exposed four-fold to this toxin and others in the tar. It has been concretely established that smoking cigarettes promotes lung cancer (which causes more than 125,000 deaths in the US every year), chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (chronic bronchitis and emphysema) and increased incidence of respiratory tract infections. This implies, but does not establish, that smoking marijuana may lead to some of the same results as smoking cigarettes. It is notable that several reports indicate an unexpectedly large proportion ofmarijuana users among cases of lung cancer and cancers of the oral cavity,pharynx, and larynx. Thus, it appears that the use of marijuana as a medicine has the potential to further harm an already ill patient in the same way that taking up regular cigarette smoking would, particularly in light of the fact that those patients for whom marijuana is recommended are already poorly equipped to fight off these infections and diseases.

so while it deals with pain it may cause the disease to be harder to fight.
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Ok, this was a fairly interesting read. You argue that its medicinal use is questionable. I'll agree with that. However, in the same context we have alcohol, also once touted as the king of medicines (some to this day in fact). The questionable nature of it's medical use does not preclude it, or other substances, from being legal and used recreationally.
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
You have not posted any numbers. My request is not at all unreasonable. Any source you have that shows some hard data comparing whatever segment of drug busts under Bush and Obama and how those figures were tabulated, would do. "More than 200 raids on dispensaries" is not hard data. In not one of those do they tell us how many occurred under Bush. It leads me to believe that the number was reached using some questionable method. For instance, maybe someone did a search of news stories? I don't know, but I am asking you to provide a real source or just quit claiming Bush was so much better like it is some proven fact.
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I have to ask again, what SOURCE would you find credible?
 
According to Obama's drug czar he has failed to fight the war on pot.

http://www.businessinsider.com/war-on-drugs-marijuana-legalization-2013-4

In February, Obama's "drug czar" Gil Kerlikowski, the director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy, admitted several failures on the part of the administration when it came to the War on Drugs.

"You can't arrest your way out of this problem," he said to Macleans, a Canadian magazine, "The administration has not done a particularly good job of, one, talking about marijuana as a public health issue, and number two, talking about what can be done and where we should be headed on our drug policy."




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Jarod said:
Thats Supercandy's game. He provides 5 or 6 links that refer to the topic he is argueing, but they dont actually support his point. He's hoping you will be impressed by how many links he provided and be too lazy to actually read them. HE knows they dont support his point.
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Thanks for proving you didn't read a single one. Each and every one supports my point Jarod. You are just spouting nonsense yet again in a vain effort to appear smart. Unfortunately you yet again proved what an idiot you are.
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
You have not posted any numbers. My request is not at all unreasonable. Any source you have that shows some hard data comparing whatever segment of drug busts under Bush and Obama and how those figures were tabulated, would do. "More than 200 raids on dispensaries" is not hard data. In not one of those do they tell us how many occurred under Bush. It leads me to believe that the number was reached using some questionable method. For instance, maybe someone did a search of news stories? I don't know, but I am asking you to provide a real source or just quit claiming Bush was so much better like it is some proven fact.
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LMAO... yet you claim Bush was worse... where is your hard data? The data you provided showed it was OBAMA that had the two worst years on record. Not Bush.
 
patriot66 said:
Here is something a little more recent, are the graphics ok for ya, I know that makes a huge difference concerning what is said. It makes people lazy ya friggin idiot, and before long they become less productive at their job, because man I just can't cope with the stress at work, and then accident rates go up, I could go on but why bother, go smoke your bong in moms basement.
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Also only your very lame opinion. Nothing to back up your opinion.
 
patriot66 said:
Here is something a little more recent, are the graphics ok for ya, I know that makes a huge difference concerning what is said. It makes people lazy ya friggin idiot, and before long they become less productive at their job, because man I just can't cope with the stress at work, and then accident rates go up, I could go on but why bother, go smoke your bong in moms basement.
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Here's what? A statement based on nothing?
 
Lucius Cornelius Sulla said:
Ok, this was a fairly interesting read. You argue that its medicinal use is questionable. I'll agree with that. However, in the same context we have alcohol, also once touted as the king of medicines (some to this day in fact). The questionable nature of it's medical use does not preclude it, or other substances, from being legal and used recreationally.
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Medical use is questionable? Not to this cancer survivor!
 
Again I would not be surprised if their have been more raids on dispensaries. You have not provided any source that really proves that the increase is significant, especially when factoring in the increase in dispensaries. But that is not the entirety of the drug war and you continue to pretend it is.

Obama has barely defended the raids stating that he can not ignore federal laws. Both Bush and Clinton justified the raids and voiced no reservations against enforcing the law. They promoted the drug war with propaganda as did previous administrations. The Obama administration did little to oppose the referendums in Colorado, Washington and elsewhere.
 
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