The police department has released audio recordings from six of the most recent calls, but the audio of calls older than six months is destroyed, according to the Seminole County sheriff’s office.
From the OP linked article.
The police department has released audio recordings from six of the most recent calls, but the audio of calls older than six months is destroyed, according to the Seminole County sheriff’s office.
From the OP linked article.
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Did Zimmerman have a fixation on young Black males?
the stand your ground law may well work to martins advantage in this case.
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Absent any evidence to contradict Zimmerman's claims, I doubt it. I'm betting Zimmerman walks.
The whole tragedy could have been avoided if Vigilante George had controlled his Clint Eastwood fantasy, as the OP says.
He will likely walk, regardless of guilt or innocence. His dad was a Judge and the other party was black and not from an influential family.
It is the way of "justice" in America.
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Ironic that a Black woman who fired a warning shot that killed nobody got 20 years...in the same state.
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how do you know what zimmerman did? "the way zimmerman did it"....CA is definitely not one of those states.
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Where is the evidence that Martin wanted to break into "some apartment and rape/murder some young woman"?
Is SmarterThanFew advocating preemptive summary executions based on skin color?
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You cannot create the altercation and then benefit from a claim of self defense. Martin was doing nothing illegal when Zimmerman confronted him.
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Is that the conclusion the jury reached in the Marissa Alexander case?
We don't know that, do we?
If Martin was assaulting Zimmerman....
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Is walking up to somebody, when acting as a representative of their Neighborhood watch, illegal?
No, but when he is patcher asks you to not persue, as a trained neighborhood watch person, you think you would comply.
Right - because that's all that happened.
We have tape of Trayvon freaking out because he was being followed/stalked, and we have tape of GZ basically telling 9/11 that he was following/stalking.
And this is your characterization.
Which still would not make it illegal.
IMO, this case seems more of a clash between two people's "stand your ground" rights than it is a deliberate attempt to kill Trayvon.
I am not ready to say that Zimmerman will not be convicted, maybe he will be. However, from what I have seen I don't think he will be. It isn't illegal to do something that a dispatcher simply says they "don't need you to do that". It doesn't make it illegal, nor will it.
I'm reasonably sure that if George Zimmerman knew the conversation Trayvon was having, like we do, he would have stopped following. Instead he simply saw somebody he didn't know, who fit the descriptions of people who were burglarizing houses in his area. As the Captain of a Neighborhood watch do you think you might try to see where the person was going in such a circumstance?
We seem to only want to treat Trayvon as a human being, and I think that is the mistake most people are making.
I think they both were, and both acted well within reason. The result is tragic, but not this inhuman monster "stalking for no reason" somebody.
I don't think GZ acted within reason, but I agree w/ you that he won't get convicted. I don't think what he did rises to the level of murder.
But he was agitated & emotional, and clearly let factors outside of the individual incident affect his actions ('these guys always get away with it'). Even one of his neighbors said something about him being at the end of his rope. Trayvon just happened to be in the way on that night.
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Not ironic in the least...
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Yet a man who characterized a Black teen based on his appearance and killed that boy will walk?
This would have to necessarily ignore that he actually did fit the descriptions of the people who were burglarizing in that very neighborhood. I think that the past factored in, that is human, I just don't think it factored in unreasonably. Finding out where the dude was going isn't unreasonable in those circumstances.
Do you think Trayvon would necessarily have died had he not acted violently? I think his reaction was reasonable as well.
This is a tragedy, of that there is little doubt, but was it something we should demonize GZ over? I don't think he was acting due to racism, he was acting on information.
We have the ability to "hear" the conversation that Trayvon was participating in, GZ did not.
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We don't have the ability to "hear" the dead kid's version of events, do we?