Point of information RE: Wisconsin

Damn Yankee said:
No discrepancy here. Elections have consequences. When the Democrats had the Congress and the presidency they rammed all kinds of shit down our throats. The People responded by throwing their asses out not just in the house but in dozens of State legislatures. Now its our turn to ram shit down your throats.
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So it's just an ongoing case of "tit for tat", the people be damned.
 
Onceler said:
And how will "the people" (and, going by your guidelines, I assume you mean all people, everywhere) respond then?
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You need some guidance and clarification?

Try "the voters" rather than "the people"
and "all voters, in our country" rather than "all people, everywhere"...

they will respond as they have been for over 200 years, at the ballot box, electing more republicans as in the last election....
 
bravo said:
You need some guidance and clarification?

Try "the voters" rather than "the people"
and "all voters, in our country" rather than "all people, everywhere"...

they will respond as they have been for over 200 years, at the ballot box, electing more republicans as in the last election....
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I'm going by DY's guidelines, and he said "the People." By his guidelines, if he meant voters, he should have said that.

He should admit he was wrong.

:)
 
Onceler said:
I'm going by DY's guidelines, and he said "the People." By his guidelines, if he meant voters, he should have said that.

He should admit he was wrong.

:)
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Obviously I hurt your feelings by proving you wrong in the other thread, and now you're trying to get even. However, you should take this issue up with the Founders, who I am quoting when using the capitalized term: "the People". :)
 
Damn Yankee said:
Obviously I hurt your feelings by proving you wrong in the other thread, and now you're trying to get even. However, you should take this issue up with the Founders, who I am quoting when using the capitalized term: "the People". :)
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Yes, but they were referring to "the People." Not the voters.

:lol:
 
Taichiliberal said:
It's in VIOLATION OF A WISCONSIN LAW THAT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR 50 YEARS...that law DOES NOT separate benefits and pensions from wages from the rights of public workers to collectively bargain with the state.
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1) It is not in 'violation' of the law.

2) It is being enacted by the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF WI

3) If no laws were allowed to be changed once they had been on the books, then we would still have slavery in this country today.

4) The law DOES allow for the public unions to still bargain for wages and allows them to have a referendum for any wage increases beyond inflation/COLA adjustments.
 
Onceler said:
I'm going by DY's guidelines, and he said "the People." By his guidelines, if he meant voters, he should have said that.

He should admit he was wrong.

:)
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When some uses words

Originally Posted by Damn Yankee
Judging by the polls, elect more conservatives.
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like polls and elect

you might guess he is talking about voters and elections

but no matter
 
bravo said:
When some uses words



like polls and elect

you might guess he is talking about voters and elections

but no matter
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You're in a little over your head on this one, bravs.

But feel free to keep apologizing for Bush; that's really your forte...
 
Originally Posted by Yurt
actually, i have debated it...you just willfully ignore points that refute your claims

i could care less about gingrich, this is now...and the dems are obstructionists and running away from democracy....you were all about elections have consequences....now, strangely you don't think elections matter, the will of the people should be ignored.

i bet you criticized gingrich and i know you call republicans obstructionists, yet during the last two years they didn't run away from their duty to vote, nope, only the dems.

can you not see your own hypocrisy?
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christiefan915 said:
Conservatives bleated constantly that they weren't given a seat at the table during negotiations over various laws. For example, they said Obama rammed HC through and they weren't given a voice. Yet the WI governor wants to do the very same thing and conservatives back him. Why the discrepancy?
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And the neocons were even lying about the HC Reform being "rammed through", as it was the CHOICE of the Party of No NOT to participate, so the Dems USED THE SAME PROCEDURES that the GOP did under the Shrub to pass laws along with a straight out vote in the Senate.

Bottom line: the neocon parrots are tripping over the hypocritical mantras of their masters.
 
Originally Posted by Onceler
And how will "the people" (and, going by your guidelines, I assume you mean all people, everywhere) respond then?
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bravo said:
You need some guidance and clarification?

Try "the voters" rather than "the people"
and "all voters, in our country" rather than "all people, everywhere"...

they will respond as they have been for over 200 years, at the ballot box, electing more republicans as in the last election....
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Actually, it was a lower voter turnout that put the GOP in......traditionally, Republicans do well with low voter turnouts in elections.

But as our Constitution and Bill of Rights emphasizes, it is the right and duty of the people to challenge the laws and leadership that they feel is unjust....regardless of which political party is in power.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
It's in VIOLATION OF A WISCONSIN LAW THAT'S BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR 50 YEARS...that law DOES NOT separate benefits and pensions from wages from the rights of public workers to collectively bargain with the state.
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Superfreak said:
1) It is not in 'violation' of the law.

2) It is being enacted by the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF WI

3) If no laws were allowed to be changed once they had been on the books, then we would still have slavery in this country today.

4) The law DOES allow for the public unions to still bargain for wages and allows them to have a referendum for any wage increases beyond inflation/COLA adjustments.
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I stand corrected on one point.....changing of a law through legislative process is not a "violation" of a previous law.

What Gov. Walker's proposal does is essentially gut the previous law...WHICH DOES NOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN SALARIES, BENEFITS AND PENSIONS IN GRANTING WORKERS (PUBLIC AND PRIVATE) WHEN IT GRANTS COLLECTIVE BARGAINING RIGHTS.

And by the way, the "referendum" on COLA adjustments can ONLY be made by NON-UNION paying members, according to Walker's proposal.

Also, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLOSING THE BUDGET GAP, AS IT WAS GOV. WALKER'S MASSIVE TAX BREAKS TO LOCAL CORPORATIONS THAT IS THE DEFICIT CULPRIT.

This is an attempt to bust unions and thus deprive the DEMS of a major fund raiser and organizer for upcoming elections.
 
Onceler said:
You're in a little over your head on this one, bravs.

But feel free to keep apologizing for Bush; that's really your forte...
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No shit....I didn't even know Bush had a post in this thread....

which one was it, fool....??????
 
Taichiliberal said:
And the neocons were even lying about the HC Reform being "rammed through", as it was the CHOICE of the Party of No NOT to participate, so the Dems USED THE SAME PROCEDURES that the GOP did under the Shrub to pass laws along with a straight out vote in the Senate.

Bottom line: the neocon parrots are tripping over the hypocritical mantras of their masters.
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:palm:Thats not even a reasonable attempt to re-write history....
Thats not even a logical lie....

:rofl:

You get a E- for effort....

Jarod could have come up with more believable bullshit than that....
 
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