Pirates

Don Quixote

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whatever happened to convoys

the talk is that insurance companies are raising their rates for the area and ships are using more fuel because the ships go faster

we already have armed ships in the area, so why not form convoys
 
IMHO we should set up an international patrol over the waters by Somalia until the situation there is stabilized - which could take decades.

We should also make a treaty giving the international court jurisdiction to try and imprison captured pirates from places that are in anarchy.
 
They ought to crew a few ships with spec ops guys, lure these dirt bags in, and lay waste to them. The "pirates" (terrorist is what they really are) would need to think twice after a few failures like that.
 
The US dealt with this before, ages ago.
When pirates were captured, they were hung.
No questions, no trials, no appeals.
The piracy stopped.

Maybe it's time to do the same.
 
IMHO we should set up an international patrol over the waters by Somalia until the situation there is stabilized - which could take decades.

We should also make a treaty giving the international court jurisdiction to try and imprison captured pirates from places that are in anarchy.

it's always fun watching blue helmeted UN peacekeepers imitate the french by dropping their weapons and running away. I say we give that a shot.
 
Hey guess what guys. They do everything you have suggested in this thread already.

DQ: The aid shipments entering Kenya and Mogadishu are required to travel in convoys. Only private shipping companies are travelling alone.

Norm: What you propose is a frequent suggestion by public observers of the situation, but enacting your idea would be a violation of international law.

WM: There are US ships, German ships, Russian ships, and many other nations that patrol the waters around the Horn. The UN has even allowed these ships permission to venture into the territorial waters of Somalia when in pursuit of pirates. But no nation wants to voluntarily undertake the sole expense of maintaining the huge fleet it would take to patrol such a large area.

One thing you are right about however is the lack of an adequate legal mechanism to deal with captured pirates. Currently in the event that they are captured, they are simply transported to Kenya and dealt with there. The international community doesn't recognize Puntland and Swaziland, the two autonomous regions in the north of Somalia, and they are the only Somali institutions that would be capable of holding prisoners. Plus, the regional government of Puntland supposedly is complicit at all levels in the pirate attacks.

Short of invading Somalia or placing a massive, expensive fleet off the Horn, the situation is likely to continue as is.
 
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The French heard one threat, stormed a boat and killed and arrested the "Pirates". The US, they hire a local to talk to the dudes on the radio.
 
Pirates aren't terrorists. That's absurd. They are robbers. If you keep trying to apply the word "terrorist" to every non-white militia group on the planet you are just taking away the meaning of the word.
 
Pirates aren't terrorists. That's absurd. They are robbers. If you keep trying to apply the word "terrorist" to every non-white militia group on the planet you are just taking away the meaning of the word.

just make sure you apply the term terrorist to all WHITE militia groups. :rolleyes:
 
Pirates aren't terrorists. That's absurd. They are robbers. If you keep trying to apply the word "terrorist" to every non-white militia group on the planet you are just taking away the meaning of the word.

In general I would agree with you, WM. However, I can't help but think that, despite their protestations to the contrary, some of the monies paid to these "pirates" makes it's way to Al-Shabab in Somalia.
 
The "terrorism" is the continued rape of Africa and the dumping of toxic wastes off its coastal waters, expecially off Somalia. The fishing industry, which the local population relies on, is fast disappearing because of the dumping of wastes by most nations of the world.

In the words of Larry Summers, Obama's economic fraud-guru, "We should encourage dumping toxic wastes off Africa and Latin America because those people don't live long anyway."

Many Africans are desperate to replace the income and substistance they got from fishing which is being destroyed by many of the very nations crying foul about "pirates."

Pirates .. the untold story.
 
'Toxic waste' behind Somali piracy

Somali pirates have accused European firms of dumping toxic waste off the Somali coast and are demanding an $8m ransom for the return of a Ukranian ship they captured, saying the money will go towards cleaning up the waste.

The ransom demand is a means of "reacting to the toxic waste that has been continually dumped on the shores of our country for nearly 20 years", Januna Ali Jama, a spokesman for the pirates, based in the semi-autonomous region of Puntland, said.

"The Somali coastline has been destroyed, and we believe this money is nothing compared to the devastation that we have seen on the seas."

The pirates are holding the MV Faina, a Ukrainian ship carrying tanks and military hardware, off Somalia's northern coast.

According to the International Maritime Bureau, 61 attacks by pirates have been reported since the start of the year.

While money is the primary objective of the hijackings, claims of the continued environmental destruction off Somalia's coast have been largely ignored by the regions's maritime authorities.

Dumping allegations

Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy for Somalia confirmed to Al Jazeera the world body has "reliable information" that European and Asian companies are dumping toxic waste, including nuclear waste, off the Somali coastline.

"I must stress however, that no government has endorsed this act, and that private companies and individuals acting alone are responsible," he said

The pirates are holding the MV Faina off Somalia's northern coast [Reuters]

Allegations of the dumping of toxic waste, as well as illegal fishing, have circulated since the early 1990s.

But evidence of such practices literally appeared on the beaches of northern Somalia when the tsunami of 2004 hit the country.

The UN Environment Programme (UNEP) reported the tsunami had washed up rusting containers of toxic waste on the shores of Puntland.

Nick Nuttall, a UNEP spokesman, told Al Jazeera that when the barrels were smashed open by the force of the waves, the containers exposed a "frightening activity" that has been going on for more than decade.

"Somalia has been used as a dumping ground for hazardous waste starting in the early 1990s, and continuing through the civil war there," he said.

"European companies found it to be very cheap to get rid of the waste, costing as little as $2.50 a tonne, where waste disposal costs in Europe are something like $1000 a tonne.

"And the waste is many different kinds. There is uranium radioactive waste. There is lead, and heavy metals like cadmium and mercury. There is also industrial waste, and there are hospital wastes, chemical wastes – you name it."

Nuttall also said that since the containers came ashore, hundreds of residents have fallen ill, suffering from mouth and abdominal bleeding, skin infections and other ailments.

"We [the UNEP] had planned to do a proper, in-depth scientific assessment on the magnitude of the problem. But because of the high levels of insecurity onshore and off the Somali coast, we are unable to carry out an accurate assessment of the extent of the problem," he said.

However, Ould-Abdallah claims the practice still continues.

"What is most alarming here is that nuclear waste is being dumped. Radioactive uranium waste that is potentially killing Somalis and completely destroying the ocean," he said.

--more at link
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2008/10/2008109174223218644.html
 
The US dealt with this before, ages ago.
When pirates were captured, they were hung.
No questions, no trials, no appeals.
The piracy stopped.

Maybe it's time to do the same.

Pretty much , when the pirates stop returning home maybe fewer will be likely to head out to capture a ship?


I hear Blackwater is laying off. Perhaps the insurance companies would hire them to guard ships?

This is a business matter, not national security or government.
And the repubs say that govt should leave business alone.
 
The US dealt with this before, ages ago.
When pirates were captured, they were hung.
No questions, no trials, no appeals.
The piracy stopped.

Maybe it's time to do the same.

That's a wonderfull solution to anarchy, suspend the rule of law! What a brilliant idea! [/sarcasm]

You know I'm all for giving the pirates a fair trial and then hanging their asses. This is no different than terrorist attacks where the principle of the rule of law is what is at stake here. As we've learned from the debacle with Guantanimo we create more problems when we suspend the rule of law. So that's not a viable option.
 
That's a wonderfull solution to anarchy, suspend the rule of law! What a brilliant idea! [/sarcasm]

You know I'm all for giving the pirates a fair trial and then hanging their asses. This is no different than terrorist attacks where the principle of the rule of law is what is at stake here. As we've learned from the debacle with Guantanimo we create more problems when we suspend the rule of law. So that's not a viable option.

Why is that type of thing not a valid option?
If someone attacks a cargo ship, blow them away. Period.

Fewer hijackers returning home will mean fewer will come out after more ships.
 
The barbaric nature of the American people on full display.

Only barbarism is understood.

Now we should hang robbers/pirates .. even though no loss of life has occured.

Ignore all circumstances that has brought the anomaly of robber/piracy to this country.

Only barbarism is understood.

Ignore soft power.

Ignore the opportunity for America to lead with a different face. Ignore this opportunity to demonstrate to the muslim world that America is more than just about guns and bombs .. thus strike a blow to "terrorism."

Ignore soft power.

Only barbarism is understood.

As I said thoughout all his years in office, the problem with America was not George Bush. The problem with America is Americans.
 
As I said this is a Business problem, not a US govt one.

And yes the USA embraces barbarism. Just look at the ratings/violence linkage in our "entertainment" industry.

Our past president idolizing Jack Bauer is just one example.
We are "Cowboys".
We do love violence. As long as it's target is someone else of course.
We love Guns.
 
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