Photo of bloodied, broken nosed George Zimmerman released

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then you need to go back and read again.

Okay, I did it.

Still the same.

 

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cite exactly who has said he is in fact innocent

 

[dixon76710]

Nonsense. The County passed it on to the state, as they do in capital cases in FL (murder being a capital crime),

Now you are just making the shit up.

On March 13, 2012, Chris Serino sent a capias request to the state's attorney recommending charges of negligent manslaughter against Zimmerman, though Serino maintains he did not believe they had the evidence to support those charges and that manslaughter was only included in the capias in order for the prosecutor's office to continue with their own investigation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin#Shooting_and_investigation

and the prosecutors chose to file charges,

The State Attorney's office initially determined there was insufficient evidence to charge Zimmerman and did not file charges based on the capias request.

and it wasn't because they thought they would lose. Even in politicalized cases, DAs are very wary to bring charges that they believe will result in acquittal.

They are not wary when the consequences of NOT filing charges would outweigh the consequences of failing to win the case.

 

[zappasguitar]

Which is pure nonsense on your part. I have not stated that Zimmerman is innocent and most certainly did not state that Trayvon 'got what he deserved'.

Thanks for again proving that you are incapable of reading comprehension.

And now the frantic backpedaling begins...

$10 bucks says we're going to see a whole lot more of this kind of post from the very same JPP Righties who've repeatedly condemned Martin for months now.

 

[zappasguitar]

cite exactly who has said he is in fact innocent

Don't waste your time Thing1.

You respond to this guy and he will make every attempt to make sure your discussion devolves into some ridiculous grammatical semantic nonsense.

You will NEVER get a straight answer from that clown.

 

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And now the frantic backpedaling begins...

$10 bucks says we're going to see a whole lot more of this kind of post from the very same JPP Righties who've repeatedly condemned Martin for months now.

SF has never said he was innocent. good lord, why do you lie so often about what people say?

 

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Don't waste your time Thing1.

You respond to this guy and he will make sure your discussion devolves into some ridiculous grammatical semantic nonsense.

He's tried to do the exact same thing to me too many times to count.

lol...asking for a cite to has said he was innocent causes zappa to burst a vein in his head

typical, he freaks out anytime he asked to support his claims

 

[dixon76710]

And now the frantic backpedaling begins...

$10 bucks says we're going to see a whole lot more of this kind of post from the very same JPP Righties who've repeatedly condemned Martin for months now.

"Backpedaling"???? Its a grasp on reality you long ago lost. ONE person claimed Treyvon got what he deserved. Not 15. You just make the shit up as you go along.

 

[dixon76710]

Don't waste your time Thing1.

You respond to this guy and he will make every attempt to make sure your discussion devolves into some ridiculous grammatical semantic nonsense.

You will NEVER get a straight answer from that clown.

You know, it is fairly easy for the members to search this thread for every single use of the word "innocent" and "deserved", to see just how full of shit you are. ONE person said he got what he "deserved", NOT 15. ZERO people said he was innocent, NOT 15.

Having said that, I will declare his innocense because every man is innocent until proven guilty, EVEN when its a white guy who killed a black.

 

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You know, it is fairly easy for the members to search this thread for every single use of the word "innocent" and "deserved", to see just how full of shit you are. ONE person said he got what he "deserved", NOT 15. ZERO people said he was innocent, NOT 15.

Having said that, I will declare his innocense because every man is innocent until proven guilty, EVEN when its a white guy who killed a black.

actually, you are presumed innocent

 

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"Backpedaling"???? Its a grasp on reality you long ago lost. ONE person claimed Treyvon got what he deserved. Not 15. You just make the shit up as you go along.

If you read back through the thread, there are clearly people taking 1 side or the other - either that he's guilty, or that he's not, & will be acquitted. There are maybe 2 who are neutral.

Damo's claim that it's the lefties proclaiming guilt & the righties taking a "wait & see" attitude is the height of hackery. There is no supporting evidence on this thread for that stance, and certainly nothing to back up an assertion that "only 2" said he was innocent/will be acquitted.

 

[dixon76710]

There is no supporting evidence on this thread for that stance, and certainly nothing to back up an assertion that "only 2" said he was innocent/will be acquitted.

Thats because nobody said he was innocent. That term has only been applied to Trayvon, and used by lefties claiming that those on the right said he was innocent.

 

[Damocles]

Damo covering for the other like minded conservative with his standard pompous bullshit.

I went back and counted the participants in this thread to see if Damo's claim was accurate...and guess what?

He wasn't even CLOSE!

Liberals participating in this thread and generally taking a Zimmerman is a murderer stance: 10

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Conservatives participating in this threa and generally taking a Zimmerman is innocent/Trayvon got what he deserved stance: 15!

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And we've got one who has been fairly neutral...Aoxoxoca


So we can see from the evidence right in front of us that Damo's claim that Liberals screaming "he's guilty" are more prevalent than conservatives shouting "he's innocent" is just plain balderdash.

Not that I expect the evidence to change his mind...Damo can be just a big a partisan hack as anyone here when he wants to.

Your partisanship is showing and driving my curiosity. I've never been able to figure out why this one has such a partisan split... A hispanic dude shot a black dude, the Hispanic dude was a precinct captain at one point for the Democrats... So it isn't due to politics in that way...

Also I've never made a claim of innocence. Never. Nor have most. You simply assume that an assumption of innocence that goes with our system is the same thing as an insistence of innocence.

You have to prove that he's a bad guy, we don't have to prove he's a good one. The only thing that is necessary to acquit him is for the prosecution to be unable to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he was a murderer. We think it will be difficult as this case has reasonable doubt written all over it.

Very few are calling him a hero and an assumption of not only innocence but righteousness... Grind because it pisses people off, and one other that I read when I made my post of "two notable" exceptions.

 

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And what "factual story" is that?

Zimmerman has ADMITTED to following Martin.

Remember the story from right here in Houston about the firefighter who got into a confrontation with neighbors?

He retrieved his gun claiming he feared for his life, but the neighbors left, so he FOLLOWED the neighbors back to their house before shooting them.

The jury found him GUILTY.

Zimmerman is going to get the same verdict.

a lefty claiming he is guilty

 

[christiefan915]

yeah and his mother put a patent on his name before he was good and cold. The kid had not business roaming in and out of people's yards in the evening, had he been taught better judgement, he might be alive today.

She patented two slogans, not just his name. On reflection I think she's pretty smart. There's any number of racists out there who would use his name for their own vile purposes. I can visualize white supremacists putting his name or face on a target and selling it as a t-shirt. That being said, how about connecting the dots for me on how this trademark business proves she wasn't a good mother?

And are you delirious? The kid was coming back from a store, not prowling in people's yards. He didn't leave the main path until GZ started following him, and then he moved to a smaller path behind the buildings.

 

[zappasguitar]

SF has never said he was innocent. good lord, why do you lie so often about what people say?

And of course you know this to be fact because you've got a copy of every single post SF has made on this subject.

Either that or you're just blowing more smoke up everyone's asses once more.

 

[christiefan915]

Thats because nobody said he was innocent. That term has only been applied to Trayvon, and used by lefties claiming that those on the right said he was innocent.

Trayvon's not on trial, although I have zero doubt the defense will rake his reputation over the coals.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Your partisanship is showing and driving my curiosity. I've never been able to figure out why this one has such a partisan split... A hispanic dude shot a black dude, the Hispanic dude was a precinct captain at one point for the Democrats... So it isn't due to politics in that way...

Also I've never made a claim of innocence. Never. Nor have most. You simply assume that an assumption of innocence that goes with our system is the same thing as an insistence of innocence.

You have to prove that he's a bad guy, we don't have to prove he's a good one. The only thing that is necessary to acquit him is for the prosecution to be unable to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he was a murderer. We think it will be difficult as this case has reasonable doubt written all over it.

Very few are calling him a hero and an assumption of not only innocence but righteousness... Grind because it pisses people off, and one other that I read when I made my post of "two notable" exceptions.

After reading most of the comments, regarding the Zimmerman/Martin case; I've come to the conclusion that since this occured during the time when campaigning was going on for the Presidency, that this is a bleed over from the accusations of racism against Obama.
Since there were so many accusations that the only reason people were against Obama was because he is black and this just made it easy for people to jump on the racisism bandwagon, when Martin was shot.

Then when it was discovered that Zimmerman is Hispanic, the accusers HAD to continue or else be shown as the hypocrites they've become.

 

[zappasguitar]

If you read back through the thread, there are clearly people taking 1 side or the other - either that he's guilty, or that he's not, & will be acquitted. There are maybe 2 who are neutral.

Damo's claim that it's the lefties proclaiming guilt & the righties taking a "wait & see" attitude is the height of hackery. There is no supporting evidence on this thread for that stance, and certainly nothing to back up an assertion that "only 2" said he was innocent/will be acquitted.

I went through just the first 10 pages of responses. Here's some of the "wait & see" responses I found from Damo's "neutral" Righties...

He is a true Hero, thats why the libs slander and lie and cry for his blood

conservative after conservative...

Trayvon was acting like any other teen.
He got pissed when George called the cops.
Overreacted, became violent, and got shot.
I still believe that Zimmerman was justified in shooting Martin.

either justifying the murder of a young boy by a coward with a gun...

Well we know where Trayvon the wanna be gangsta is rotting dont we?
Live like a gangsta die like a gangsta

or making excuses as to why the young boy was shot...

There would be no trial here, the little bastard got what he deserved end of story.

"got what he deserved..."

Live like a thug, die like a thug.

"die like a thug..."

It was days later and after medical attention. The reality is, George Zimmerman has been largely demonized on a partisan basis. Odd though, considering he's not republican and not white.

even "fair & balanced" Damo...lamenting the actions of one group, but not the other...

You just want to completely ignore the fact that Martin is the one who confronted Zimmerman. You're just a liberal racist.

Then there are those who present their own opinions as fact...

i don't know anyone who thinks that, except you. did martin have the right to assault zimmerman?

claiming Martin assaulted Zimmerman, despite not knowing the whole story...

if martin responded with force beyond that necessary to ascertain why he was being followed or to stop the following, then martin becomes the aggressor and zimmerman can in FACT claim he was fearful for his life, especially if his version is true that martin started beating him.

others siding with Zimmerman simply because they just outright hate someone who thinks the facts will show Zimmerman is guilty.

It all comes down to who made first contact. It was most likely trayvon. Remember, liberals have been wrong on almost everything about this case so far. Wrong on the 911 phone call that was edited and spliced maliciously which got a producer FIRED. wrong about there being no injuries to zimmerman... wrong wrong wrong.

to those who are just such gigantic tools they feel the day isn't complete if they don't lambaste some liberals...

There you have it...snarky, one-sided comments presuming to assign guilt to Martin or cast doubt on Martin's character from 10 of the 15 conservatives I listed earlier and all in just the first 10 pages...wonder what I'd find in the next 10?

 

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And of course you know this to be fact because you've got a copy of every single post SF has made on this subject.

Either that or you're just blowing more smoke up everyone's asses once more.

and of course you have proof SF said he was innocent...right? i've never seen a single post from SF that said he was innocent.

but we all know you won't back up your claim because you're a proven liar.