Yes, let's suspend hearings on national security matters and not have committee meetings after 2 p.m. because the Republicans are assholes. That makes a lot of sense. You obviously have the best interest of the country in mind.
Petulant Childish Righties
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Yes, let's suspend hearings on national security matters and not have committee meetings after 2 p.m. because the Republicans are assholes. That makes a lot of sense. You obviously have the best interest of the country in mind.
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The Almighty
You are such a good little apologist. Yeah, there weren't thousands of articles on the 'deem and pass' or the use of 'reconciliation' for a bill this large. Yeah... it was just about a majority vote.
We will keep that in mind when the Reps re-take the majority (whenever that might be). We will see if it is just 'majority vote' that is needed at that time.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
and the dems did? by hiding or skewing numbers in the info given to CBO? or buying votes from senators? ignoring the will of their constituents to do what THEY feel is right?
So the Dems can openly bribe, work back door deals to push this through and you're whining about this?
Grow up yourself. This is child's play in comparison to the out and overt shit the Dems have pulled.
You don't like dirty tricks, then stop participating in them.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
No, taking their ball and going home because they lost a debate is the very definition of petulant.
Refusing to let the Senate DO ANY BUSINESS WHATSOEVER becasue theyare mad at the outcome of their last confrontation is the definition of petulant.
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The Almighty
Tell me apologist.... what national security matters were not addressed by Congress that could not have been addressed prior to two? Is there an immanent threat somewhere? Or are you once again being overly dramatic because your masters commanded you to be?
Tell us apologist... have the Dems ever declared that they wouldn't work on Friday's? have they ever scheduled votes at the wee hours of the day or on weekends to avoid as much publicity as they could on votes?
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The Almighty
Tell us Dung... why was it necessary to have the final vote on a Sunday night?
Obama's Admonition:
"Whatever means necessary".
Now open wide and take your medicine cry baby . Just pretend it's a cheeseburger, k?
SmarterthanYou
rebel
I'm sure democrats never did similar? at all, ever?
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
That's a strawman on your behalf and shows you don't understand the issue. It is the present health care system we have that is costing us 1/6 of our GDP and is rising every day and should be 1/5 of GDP in the next five years. Also, the majority of the public isn't opposed to Health Care Reform. The majority of the public had problems with this bill. My major problem with this bill and many who opposed it shared this view is that it's not true reform with out a public option. So, get your facts straight. The majority of Americans want health care reform.
Time and time again it has been shown to you that other nations use these reforms to cut their health care costs to half of what we pay and they acheive higher outcomes. So it is you who is either profoundly ignorant on this issue and what the problems and solutions are or it is you who are the one who doesn't give a fuck about the increasing costs, how to manage those and how to improve results, outcome and accesiblity and affordability. You would rather see 30 million people suffer and another million go bankrupt each year.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
Ya know, I gotta side with you here....those gutless, sneaky Democrats only had the vote on Sunday night so they could avoid the media and no news sources would cover it!
I mean, I tried channel after channel after channel and I couldn't find coverage of the debate or the vote after on ANY CHANNEL!
Was it on somewhere??
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
I'm not whining. You are. I'm just telling you that this cry baby petulant behavior is going to back fire on Repbulicans just like it did in 1995.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
If they try and pull it for more than a day or two in a row, it sure will.
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The Almighty
wow... that is some revisionism....
1) The Budget standoff was in 95/96... Newt didn't resign until 1999. That battle did NOT cause Newt to resign. It was due to his efforts to impeach Clinton that caused the backlash that led to his resignation.
2) The budget battle may have hurt Dole in 96, but given the state of the economy and Dole's stiff image... I seriously doubt he had a shot at winning regardless.
3) The budget battle led to a compromise between Clinton and the Rep led Congress that helped the country reign in the deficit spending to the point where they almost reduced the national debt year over fiscal year in 2000.
4) In 1996 the Reps gained 3 Senate seats and lost 4 in the House. Hardly supports your assertion that Clinton 'won decisively'
unfortunately after that time (for number 3) the two parties started their bullshit about 'projected BUDGET surpluses' and started trying to out do each other on how to spend said 'budget surpluses'.
KingCondanomation
New member
IMHO, the less they do the better, by whatever means.
"No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session." – Mark Twain (1866)
It wasn't necessary. It was the first opportunity under the 72-hour rule.
What's the problem with having the vote on a Sunday? I don't get it.
Deem and pass was not used to pass the law. Reconciliation was not used to pass the law. The law passed with 60 votes in the Senate under the normal course and passed the House with a majority under the normal course.
I dont see the problem with reconsiliation...
The bill was passed by the Senate, then the House, now a 2nd bill is working its way through the process to amend the first bill...
Whats the big fucking deal? Is this not just the way bill are passed......
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The Almighty
Please tell me how it is a strawman? It IS 1/6 of the economy.
Yes, I mispoke, they were against THIS health care reform bill.... the one we are talking about. For reform in general the public does support the necessity to get costs under control. Which is why they don't like this bullshit bill the Dems just passed. Because it does nothing to address costs.
My facts are straight. The public wants reforms that will get the ever increasing COSTS under control. This bill ADDS to the national deficit AND does nothing to address the COSTS.
Time and again it has been pointed out to you that the 'other' nations are NOT the US. They have different demographic make ups. I have asked time and again for you and others to answer the simple question. Is there efficiency in scale within health care?
It has also been pointed out to you time and again that most of those countries are facing mounting UNFUNDED liabilities due to the aging of the population and the decline in average family size. But you, like the other brain dead morons continue to ignore that.
I have stated time and again HOW to address the COSTS. For you to suggest I don't 'care' is nothing more than a feeble attempt to deflect the conversation. The fact that I am so against this bill shows that I care about the costs. The fact that I continue to point out this bill does nothing to lower costs and in fact will likely see them increase seems to be lost on you.
If you want the 30 million covered, you make the coverage more AFFORDABLE. You don't simply try to force people to buy insurance. Nor do you force people to pay for OTHER peoples insurance. That doesn't solve a fucking thing.
But please, do continue on in your blissful role of a good little lemming/parrot/apologist for your precious messiah. It is apparently all you are good for.
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The Almighty
Of course you don't get it... you're a fucking moron.... and your masters haven't told you what to think yet.