People rest Is the case submitted? Y Ordered acquitted Now you may have the evidence

The only persons who should be arrested are these whiny Democrat Socialists who are trying to remove a sitting president who was elected by the American people.

Perhaps the evidence is not overwhelming and not compelling after a mere 48 days of impeachment hearings.
 
Walt said:
In theory, the president can order the DOJ to stop any investigation, or prosecution. If they fail to stop, the president can fire those who are doing the investigation, or prosecution. Many political appointees serve at the pleasure of the president, so could easily be fired.

All this happened when Nixon was in office. He ordered the Attorney General to drop the Watergate investigation. Both the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General were required to resign rather than shutdown the investigation. Finally Bork(yes, that Bork) agreed to be Attorney General on the condition he would kill the investigation. It was called the Saturday Night Massacre.

There is a question whether the Attorney General of New York could arrest the president. There are many legal scholars who say no. If the president used his powers to resist, then it would be impossible to actually arrest him.
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and to complete the thought Trump has surrounded himself with counsel willing to say that is AOK and legal like Barr.
 
Walt said:
In theory, the president can order the DOJ to stop any investigation, or prosecution. If they fail to stop, the president can fire those who are doing the investigation, or prosecution. Many political appointees serve at the pleasure of the president, so could easily be fired.

All this happened when Nixon was in office. He ordered the Attorney General to drop the Watergate investigation. Both the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General were required to resign rather than shutdown the investigation. Finally Bork(yes, that Bork) agreed to be Attorney General on the condition he would kill the investigation. It was called the Saturday Night Massacre.

There is a question whether the Attorney General of New York could arrest the president. There are many legal scholars who say no. If the president used his powers to resist, then it would be impossible to actually arrest him.
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What investigation is the DOJ doing and what crimes has this President committed?
 
Earl said:
The only persons who should be arrested are these whiny Democrat Socialists who are trying to remove a sitting president who was elected by the American people.

Perhaps the evidence is not overwhelming and not compelling after a mere 48 days of impeachment hearings.
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:thumbsup:
 
Micawber said:
The people rest.

Is the case submitted?

Yes

OK it is hereby ordered that the President is acquitted.

Now we will take up the matter of your request for evidence.




There are only so many characters you can place in a subject line.

But I did enjoy that loser dentist post 4 times about me. :laugh: Unrequited love. So sad.
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Dentist*. (No longer)
Will be in Arizona next week golfing. But thanks for the translation. You coulda done a better job with the title.
 
They should be putting on evidence NOW, like during the trial. Every day they don't is a fail and Republican hoax.

This is just obstruction and railroading, but railroading out of town. It's a Trump jail break.
 
I'm so happy to see everybody taking all this so seriously and wasting time on it. I'll be golfing in AZ next week. Life is good.
I'll make life easier for you folks so you can rest better.
Trump will be acquitted.
Hrc is still my not president, never will be.
Trump will be reelected.
 
Walt said:
In theory, the president can order the DOJ to stop any investigation, or prosecution. If they fail to stop, the president can fire those who are doing the investigation, or prosecution. Many political appointees serve at the pleasure of the president, so could easily be fired.

All this happened when Nixon was in office. He ordered the Attorney General to drop the Watergate investigation. Both the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General were required to resign rather than shutdown the investigation. Finally Bork(yes, that Bork) agreed to be Attorney General on the condition he would kill the investigation. It was called the Saturday Night Massacre.

There is a question whether the Attorney General of New York could arrest the president. There are many legal scholars who say no. If the president used his powers to resist, then it would be impossible to actually arrest him.
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It was also assumed that a sitting president could not be sued in a civil case until the Paula Jones case changed that.

I don't agree with the argument that a sitting president cannot be indicted because it would interfere with his time for running the government because an impeachment equally interferes with that time but is clearly intended to occur during his term of office.

There is also a debate about whether a former official can be impeached.
 
Flash said:
It was also assumed that a sitting president could not be sued in a civil case until the Paula Jones case changed that.

I don't agree with the argument that a sitting president cannot be indicted because it would interfere with his time for running the government because an impeachment equally interferes with that time but is clearly intended to occur during his term of office.

There is also a debate about whether a former official can be impeached.
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Cheney had an interesting solution to that. Presidents, VPs, and other important people who need to be protected designate an attorney to receive their legal papers. Cheney did not. He stole billions of dollars in fake accounting, but could not be served because he spent years in hiding. For years, mostly no one knew where he was, or if they did, he would be surrounded by Secret Service that threatened to kill anyone who served him. He literally hid for the entire statute of limitations and got away with stealing a lot of money.

Indicting a president under federal law is a bit pointless. He can just pardon himself.
 
Micawber said:
dubious claim. Authority?
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The President can pardon anyone for Federal crimes, and he is someone.

Let's say trump murders someone on Fifth Avenue(like he spoke about). That is in NYC, so under NY law, and he could in theory be arrested and prosecuted under that law. Or maybe not, because of the Supremacy Claus... Well it does not matter for the sake of pardons. he certainly cannot pardon himself for a NY murder.

If, however, trump murders someone in DC, that is federal jurisdiction. he could pardon himself, just like he could pardon any other person arrested for a federal crime. The only exception to pardons is impeachment. So while he could pardon himself under criminal laws.... Well, let's not kid ourselves, it would be impossible to get enough Republicans to vote for conviction no matter what trump does.
 
I believe that it was decided during Watergate that a President can not pardon themselves, Tricky Dick thought about doing so.
 
Phantasmal said:
I believe that it was decided during Watergate that a President can not pardon themselves, Tricky Dick thought about doing so.
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President "shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment"... No where does it say he cannot pardon himself.

Nixon was pardoned by Ford. And because he was out of office, they could no longer impeach him.
 
Micawber said:
They should be putting on evidence NOW, like during the trial. Every day they don't is a fail and Republican hoax.

This is just obstruction and railroading, but railroading out of town. It's a Trump jail break.
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Question: Why didn't the house panel follow through with the subpoenas for Bolton and all those damn documents that were so vital? Yeah, they would've gone to court, and probably been thrown out for executive privilege, but the point is, your ass clowns up there would actually have a point(i.e, "what's he hiding? *whine* the American people want to know!"). And these matters can and usually are expedited in the real courts, so basically you have zero excuses for not waiting(unless you're playing a political game, that is)And what did you expect to get out of Bolton anyway? We know a couple things already 1) There was a hold put on that money and 2) Bolton had an opinion(there's that word again)that this seemed like "a drug deal". So why would Trump want to exert exec. privilege? He said it yesterday, but I doubt the left was listening. He said he and Bolton had probably not parted on the best of terms, and obviously you wouldn't want someone like that to testify. He also said that in their conversations, his personal opinions of foreign leaders had been discussed, and that being common knowledge, it would make future negotiations with those leaders difficult at best and impossible at worst. Dilemmas for ANY president. And what would the GOP get out of Hunter Biden? He'd take the 5th, I guarantee it. How about quid-pro-joe? Guess what followed him out of the white house in 2016? Executive privilege!("what's he hiding? *whine* the American people want to know!")

This whole damn thing is just a political advertisement for the 2020 nominee. When all these jackasses finish flapping their gums in the senate, before they sit down they should have to say "and I approved this message"
 
Phantasmal said:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/self-pardons-president-cant-pardon-himself-so-why-do-people-think-he-can

Tte DoJ decided in 1974, lawfare explains it better than myself.
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A well argued point, but not a conclusive argument. I still take the other side, but completely admit your side might be right.

I doubt anyone wants the constitutional crisis from testing all this. Imagine trying to arrest a president, who is the Commander-In-Chief of the military, and has the Secret Service protecting him. There are basically millions of people with guns, each will have to decide for themselves what constitutional argument they will have to follow.
 
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