People live longer in blue states than red; new study points to impact-state policies

[Moosakofsky]

May I suggest moving to Baltimore?

Only if they cancelled the murderous police dept. We all know how unsafe it is with police lurking.
Well at least they let criminals be criminals after Freddy Gray.

 

[StoneByStone]

Except California...



https://www.ppic.org/publication/income-inequality-in-california/



https://calmatters.org/california-d...in-some-counties-the-disparities-are-extreme/

Or New York...



http://fiscalpolicy.org/nys-leads-nation-in-income-inequality

Basically in Blue states there is the greatest amount of income inequality and unfairness in social and economic justice there is in the US. So much for Progressives delivering on their ideas...

The only way you can say there is more income inequality in the blue states is if you single out the exceptions. If you take all states into consideration, there is no question which states have less inequality as well as more overall living standards.

 

[RB 60]

Only if they cancelled the murderous police dept. We all know how unsafe it is with police lurking.
Well at least they let criminals be criminals after Freddy Gray.

When I started working for a food service company back around '01, on my first day, we went to Baltimore. The driver said to watch out for thugs. It was the first time in my life that I saw every convenience store front with steel bars, some you couldn't even enter, they just had a window with bullet-proof glass. While unloading, a thug walked up the ramp to our trailer to steal whatever, so the driver slammed the trailer door shut and locked him in. Apparently he was unconformable in a dark, refrigerated trailer because it sounded like a freight train in there. A cop was driving past so we told him there was a thief in our trailer and he cuffed the thug and put him in his car. The cop drove about a block down the street and left him out of the car. Apparently (attempted) theft isn't a crime in Baltimore. The driver asked me if I still wanted to work there when we got back!
Long story short, I worked there for about a year and a half before the company built a new warehouse too far away and I went back into the machine shop business. We went to DC, Alexandria (and number of Army and Navy bases, including the Pentagon), Phila, Trenton, Manhattan, Boston to name just a few. Don't get me wrong, there were some nice places, but I'd never live in the inner cities. The rats in Manhattan are as big as groundhogs!
All in all, it was an experience I would do again (I made great money!), but the average day was 14-16+ hours, from the time we left until we returned home (some were overnighters, we stayed at a motel) and it was hard work emptying a trailer loaded with 36,000+ lbs. of food using a handcart running up and down a narrow ramp and up and down lots of stairs (every delivery in Manhattan was in a basement) every day.

 

[Into the Night]

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Learn to think for yourself. Stop stealing the arguments of others and using them as your own.

Noam N. Levey 10 hrs ago

Weak environmental protections, safety rules and labor and civil rights protections may be cutting lives short in conservative states and deepening the divide between red and blue states, according to a new study on links between life expectancy and state policy.

Total BULLSHIT! This entire article and post is trying to justify tyranny as a means to lengthen life.

The report, published Tuesday in the health policy journal Milbank Quarterly, finds that states where residents live longest, including California, tend to have much more stringent environmental laws, tougher tobacco and firearms regulations and more protections for workers, minorities and LGBTQ residents.

BULLSHIT.

Since the mid-1980s, the gap among U.S. states in how long their residents live has widened, reversing decades of progress toward greater equality.

Making up numbers. BULLSHIT.

One group of states, mostly in the Northeast and the West, have seen average life expectancies rise relatively steadily, placing them on par with the wealthiest nations of Western Europe. Those states tend to have more stringent regulations.

Making up numbers. BULLSHIT.

By contrast, the life expectancy in states with more conservative health, labor and social policies — concentrated in the South andAppalachia — have stagnated in recent decades, according to the study, which adds to growing research on health and political disparities between states.

Making up numbers. BULLSHIT.

California has among the highest average life expectancies in the country, at 81.3 years. It also had the most liberal policies in the nation in 2014, the most recent year the study analyzed, according to the system the authors developed to rank states.

Making up numbers. BULLSHIT.

Although the study's authors note that they can't prove that state policies caused the gap in life expectancy, the correlation is a persistent one across multiple states and several decades.

Of course they can't. They are MAKING UP RANDOM NUMBERS and using them as data.

“It’s disheartening to see another example of a missed opportunity by policymakers,” said David Radley, senior scientist at the nonprofit Commonwealth Fund who studies differences in state health policies and the effects on people’s health. Radley was not involved in Milbank report.

The Milbank report is total BULLSHIT.

The new report may help shape efforts to rethink government policy in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic, which has exposed deep structural weaknesses in the U.S. as well as yawning gaps in many state safety nets.

There is no 'coronavirus pandemic'. Only 0.3% of the population is infected. The death rate is only 0.002% of the population. This virus is much milder than H1N1 was a few years ago, when Democrats didn't lock down the economy to make Trump look bad, and no one was panicking about masks, and people went about their daily lives. Fuck you.

“The overarching conclusion is clear: States that have invested in their populations’ social and economic well-being by enacting more liberal policies over time tend to be the same states that have made considerable gains in life expectancy,” the study’s authors wrote.

Total BULLSHIT. This author is obviously trying to justify Marxism.

Even before the current public health crisis, life expectancy in the U.S. had been declining, setting America apart from most other wealthy nations. That decline has fueled tough questions about domestic policy.

More made up numbers. BULLSHIT.

The opioid epidemic, which has had a devastating impact on regions of the country already hit hard by economic stagnation, has been the focus of a lot of the discussion about that shift.

Never mind the deaths caused by alcohol, pot, heroin, meth, fentanyl, acid, cigarettes, etc.

But Syracuse University sociologist Jennifer Karas Montez, the lead author of the new study, said the impact of opioids may be only part of the story.

Another University Idiot pushing Marxism.

“When we look at what is happening with life expectancy, the tendency is to focus on individual explanations about what Americans are doing,” she said, noting obesity and smoking behaviors as well as drug use. “But state policies are so important.”

No. Getting off the damned drugs is what is important.

To assess what role these policies may be playing, Montez and other researchers reviewed more than 120 policies enacted by states over the years and assessed whether each policy choice in each state was more liberal or more conservative.

Total BULLSHIT. Marxism doesn't work. It is theft.

Policies included housing rules such as rent control;

Rent controls don't work. They cause a housing shortage. It is fascism.

health and welfare policies such as Medicaid eligibility and welfare limits;

High taxes to pay for medical care doesn't work. Welfare doesn't work. They are both theft.

labor protections such as paid sick leave and minimum wages;

Minimum wage laws are price controls. Price controls don't work. Minimum wage laws put people out of work. They are fascism.

and civil rights policies such as gender discrimination bans,

Fascism.

hate-crime laws

Vandalism, assault, arson, and murder are already illegal. Why do you need 'hate crime' laws?

and same-sex marriage.

Doesn't support life at all. Same sex couples are not capable of producing a child.

They also looked at state abortion restrictions,

Abortion of a child is killing a child. That is not a good life expectancy for the child.

tax policy,

High taxes mean crappy economy.

education spending,

You mean propaganda spending.

immigration rules

Determined by the federal government, not by any State.

and gun control laws.

BULLSHIT. No correlation. See the FBI records on this. Gun control laws are illegal in the United States. There's this thing called the 2nd amendment, you see.

Each state was ranked by how liberal or conservative its policies overall have been, going back to 1970.

Another 'best of' and 'worst of' list. BULLSHIT opinions.

The researchers then compared these findings to trends in life expectancy in all 50 states.

No such data. Random numbers.

Montez said the trends they saw were unmistakable. They also correlated with important points in the nation’s political history.

BULLSHIT. There is no data. Manufactured numbers are not data.

Through the 1960s and 1970s, for example, state life expectancies generally converged. That trend began to reverse in the mid-1980s, around the same time that a conservative movement, led by President Reagan and mirrored in many state capitols, became ascendant.

Yet another push for Marxism, calling Reagan 'evil'.

The gap between states accelerated further after 2010, when sweeping Republican victories in state elections shifted policies further to the right in many places.

BULLSHIT. Bigotry. Random numbers are not data.

By 2017, residents of the state with the highest life expectancy — Hawaii — were living on average seven years longer than residents of the state with the lowest life expectancy — Mississippi.

BULLSHIT. Random numbers are not data. I've lived in Hawaii.

By contrast, the gap between the best- and worst-performing states in 1984 was less than five years.

BULLSHIT numbers again.

The gap is not only about policy: States where people live longer tend to be wealthier and have better educated populations, for example.

BULLSHIT numbers again. Pushing for Marxism again.

But Montez noted that decisions by state leaders have helped shape those factors.

You can take your Marxism and stuff it.

“States like Connecticut are investing in their population, investing in schools, setting an economic floor for their workers, discouraging behaviors like smoking that kill people,”

You can't 'invest in the population'. you can't 'invest in schools'. They have no ROI. Since schools are basically propaganda centers now, students leave these schools almost as illiterate as when the started them.

she explained. “You have other states like Mississippi and Oklahoma that aren’t doing any of this.”

Irrelevant.

In Connecticut, whose policies have become steadily more liberal over the last half century, life expectancy increased 5.8 years between 1980 and 2017 to 80.7 years.

BULLSHIT numbers. Random made up numbers are not data.

In Oklahoma, which has become markedly more conservative, life expectancy increased only 2.2 years over the same period, reaching 75.8 years in 2017.

BULLSHIT numbers. Random made up numbers are not data.

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Pushing the same Marxism and quoting the same BULLSHIT numbers is still lying.

Take your 'studies' and stick 'em where the sun don't shine, then you crawl in after it.

 

[Into the Night]

Red states have higher poverty rates than blue states. As for cost of living, that isn't always an accurate reflection of quality of life. European countries with a higher cost of living than America usually have better health, education, employment, and so on.

BULLSHIT numbers. You are making shit up.

 

[katzgar]

BULLSHIT numbers. You are making shit up.

ROTFL

 

[katzgar]

I'm convinced. We're moving to Detroit or maybe south Shitcago.

Or Mississippi or Louisiana or Florida or Alabama or Georgia or Tennessee or Kentucky or one of the Carolinas

 

[katzgar]

Except California...



https://www.ppic.org/publication/income-inequality-in-california/



https://calmatters.org/california-d...in-some-counties-the-disparities-are-extreme/

Or New York...



http://fiscalpolicy.org/nys-leads-nation-in-income-inequality

Basically in Blue states there is the greatest amount of income inequality and unfairness in social and economic justice there is in the US. So much for Progressives delivering on their ideas...

You're assertion that Republican states are s******* states is correct

 

[katzgar]

Ha, I lived in N.O. , LA . You'd be negligent to not be armed there. After two friends and an uncle were murdered in that shithole I left in '91.

Actually I don't and yet again reality alludes you

 

[Into the Night]

Nope. The Left never supported the Soviet Union.

Lie. Stone cold lie.

During the Russian Provisional Government, the Left voted for a Liberal Democracy.

Lie. There was no vote.

The Bolsheviks, being typical right-wing Fascists,

Lie. They were communists.

used force to take over and create a Fascist government.

Lie. They created an oligarchy that implemented communism.

And did the Bolsheviks create collective ownership like the Marxists wanted?

Yes. They were the Marxists.

No, instead they created State Capitalism which was more similar to economies that Fascists had in Germany, Italy, Austria, and Spain.

Lie. There is no such thing as 'State Capitalism'.

As for the Cuban Revolution, there are two important things to consider.

Now you're going to lie about Cuba.

First, Cuba already had a dictatorship.

One brutal dictator replaced by another. Both implemented communism.

If Democracy had been an option,

It never was. A democracy is an unstable form of government. There are currently no democracies in the world today.

the Left would have chosen that, but it wasn't.

Down with democracy. Down with Democrats.

There was no chance at a vote, like in Russia, so the Left was forced to choose between two Dictators. They chose the less shitty one.

Lie. There was no choice.

Secondly, the Revolution happened during the Cold War, which is why Cuba needed to be Authoritarian.

Irrelevant.

They're an island country next to the American Empire

The United States is not an empire.

in a time when America was the aggressor.

The United States was never the aggressor in Cuba.

Russia and China have no excuse, but I totally understand why Cuba needed a government like this.

No, you are just making shit up, liar.

So why do countries with Social Democracy do better than America and other countries with Capitalism?

There is no democracy anywhere in the world today. No communist nation or fascist nation does better than capitalism. Socialism is theft.

And why are countries like the Soviet Union and Maoist China considered Socialist when they did not have collective ownership?

The both have 'collective' ownership, that is, ownership of businesses by the government.


You continue to spin and lie. You continue to justify the theft of wealth. That's what socialism is. Fascism and communism are both forms of socialism. It is evil. It if theft. It is misery. If you like it so much, go live there. No one is stopping you.

 

[Into the Night]

California is one state. It's the exception, not the rule.

There is no exception to the rule liar. Socialism is theft. It can only be implemented by force, using oligarchies and dictatorships. California is not longer effectively a State of the United States. It's government no longer recognizes the Constitution of the United States nor it's own State constitution. I call it the Socialist Oligarchy of the Territory of California (SOTC) now. I feel sorry for the people stuck there. It's not easy living in such misery, and rather difficult to escape it, if you own property there. It is not communism there, it's fascism by oligarchy.

Go fuck yourself.

 

[Into the Night]

Coincides with the fact that 9 out of 10 poorest states in America are red states .. needing more government bailouts

BULLSHIT numbers. You are making shit up.

 

[Into the Night]

WRONG .. that distinction goes to Mississippi and Louisiana.

Why are you still there if you hate it so much?

BULLSHIT.

 

[Into the Night]

Obviously brother you don’t understand logic. I asked a question based on your constant crying about the state you live in. Moving isn’t that difficult. I used to live there .. I moved.

I live in America because I was born to it .. family lives here .. thus I’m committed to trying to make it live up to its promises.

A like answer from you would have sufficed.

Pardon me for using the OFficial measure of poverty, which is more widel used. .. but even by the SPM California ranks 26th.

BULLSHIT, liar. You are making shit up.

 

[Into the Night]

Well duh, blue states do better than red states because of economics. Instead of wealth pooling within a tiny minority, it spreads more evenly throughout society.
I know it goes against the feels, but liberal economics produce better societies. And not just within America. Liberal countries are far more successful than conservative countries too.

Go stuff your Marxism where the sun don't shine, then crawl in there after it. You don't like the United States? Go live in Cuba. Go live in Venezuela. Go live in China. You consider them successful. Go live there.

 

[Into the Night]

If disagreeing with politics be they local, state or federal is crying then all we do in America is cry.

It's like in America today there's zero room for nuance. There's a lot about California I love. I also strongly disagree with many things we do here politically and yes I discuss them on a political discussion board. And as many of us know the old adage is 'as goes California so goes the country'. So if I lived in Montana and discuss local Montana politics most people understandably wouldn't give a sh*t. But California is the largest state in the Union and what happens here affects what happens around the country. And when people point to California and say I want to transport their politics nationally I will talk about it. That doesn't mean I hate California.

And not living here you probably don't read the local papers on a regular basis. Whether it's the SF Chronicle, LA Times or Sac Bee a google search will show you numerous articles they have written stating California has the highest poverty rate. Here's just one article.

California still No. 1 in poverty

https://calmatters.org/commentary/2019/09/high-cost-california-no-1-in-poverty/

Alaska is a far larger State by territory. It does have the highest population, but I no longer consider California a State. I have hope for you guys, tho. If you can get rid of the oligarchy in Sacramento and within your cities, and install a government that recognizes both your State constitution and the Constitution of the United States, then you can become a State again.

 

[Into the Night]

One state. Literally one state. Like I said, California is the exception to the rule.

There are no exceptions to the rule. Socialism is theft. It is misery.

 

[Into the Night]

Look up legit any article on living standards, human development index, or economic security. The blue states, on average, do better than the red states.

Your idea of 'legit' is propaganda. Go fuck yourself.

 

[Into the Night]

Even in that one, the blue states are doing better than the red states on average.

BULLSHIT numbers. You are making shit up.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, I'm going by the overall number of states. On average, the blue states are doing better.

And really, is this surprising? Look at countries around the world. Would you rather live under right-wing economies like Saudi Arabia or left-wing economies like Switzerland?

Lie. You are making shit up.